The gun thing.

Finally got to talk to my gun totin buddy. He assures me that the video
posted is absolutely correct. I'd seen the holsters OK, but wasn't too sure
if the deficiencies the poster pointed out were for real or somethig he
concocted. Apparently, it's even easier to **** up holstering the weapon
than the video made out. Yipes! I don't really see the point of the whole
locked holster thing myself.
Also, it is standard to have one in the chamber, which I think is also a
mistake, but there ya are. That's the way they're doing it. he just got
back from recurrent training, which is fairly substaintial, but
classified...



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Finally got to talk to my gun totin buddy. He assures me that the video
posted is absolutely correct. I'd seen the holsters OK, but wasn't too
sure
if the deficiencies the poster pointed out were for real or somethig he
concocted. Apparently, it's even easier to **** up holstering the weapon
than the video made out. Yipes! I don't really see the point of the whole
locked holster thing myself.
Also, it is standard to have one in the chamber, which I think is also a
mistake, but there ya are. That's the way they're doing it. he just got
back from recurrent training, which is fairly substaintial, but
classified...



Bertie

Thanks for the update. The locked holster idea really seems nutty to me as
well; and assuming, that the rest of the video is accurate, appears to
dissarm the crew at some of the wrong times.

Peter

"Peter Dohm" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
Finally got to talk to my gun totin buddy. He assures me that the
video posted is absolutely correct. I'd seen the holsters OK, but
wasn't too sure
if the deficiencies the poster pointed out were for real or somethig
he concocted. Apparently, it's even easier to **** up holstering the
weapon than the video made out. Yipes! I don't really see the point
of the whole locked holster thing myself.
Also, it is standard to have one in the chamber, which I think is
also a mistake, but there ya are. That's the way they're doing it. he
just got back from recurrent training, which is fairly substaintial,
but classified...



Bertie

Thanks for the update. The locked holster idea really seems nutty to
me as well; and assuming, that the rest of the video is accurate,
appears to dissarm the crew at some of the wrong times.



Well, might not be as bad as all that. The instruction the guys that carry
get is pretty good and the stuff the rest of us get nowadays is also pretty
comprehensive these days. The thing about carrying is that that it's like
anything else humans do, if there is a mistake to be made, it will be made.
If it can happen, it will, if it can't, it might.


Bertie

Nomen Nescio wrote in
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Oops, I forgot to ask......Would you mind if I reposted this on
a couple of gun related web sites, Bertie?


If you like, but I don't really want to get into it with them, though. For
one thing, much of what we're taught these days is classified and I
wouldn't really be able to get into the pros and cons without puling my
punches and that would kill me!

Bertie

Nomen Nescio wrote in
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From: Bertie the Bunyip

Oops, I forgot to ask......Would you mind if I reposted this on
a couple of gun related web sites, Bertie?


If you like, but I don't really want to get into it with them, though.
For one thing, much of what we're taught these days is classified and
I wouldn't really be able to get into the pros and cons without puling
my punches and that would kill me!

No problem.
I'll do the "I know this guy who knows this guy" thing.


Oh i don't care if you identify me. I just don't reckon that the whole
thing is all that good an idea and the chances of convincing a gun nut
of that are near zip. I just don't feel like banging my head against a
wall trying to explain why I don't think it's a good idea.


Bertie

Nomen Nescio wrote in
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From: Bertie the Bunyip

Finally got to talk to my gun totin buddy. He assures me that the
video posted is absolutely correct. I'd seen the holsters OK, but
wasn't too sure if the deficiencies the poster pointed out were for
real or somethig he concocted. Apparently, it's even easier to **** up
holstering the weapon than the video made out. Yipes! I don't really
see the point of the whole locked holster thing myself.
Also, it is standard to have one in the chamber, which I think is also
a mistake, but there ya are. That's the way they're doing it. he just
got back from recurrent training, which is fairly substaintial, but
classified...



Bertie

Thank's for getting that info, Bertie.
I'd heard that's how it's handled, but it seemed so dumb that I found
it rather difficult to believe. Even easier to **** up than the video
showed? I agree with you, Yipes!

I'd also heard that it wasn't just standard to have one in the
chamber. It was REQUIRED.

I guess we can trust a pilot's judgement to get a few hundred people
to their destination safely. But we just can't trust them to be
walking around the airport with an unlocked firearm.
Dumb!
Just plain ****in' dumb.
Business as usual for the TSA.


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TSA = Terminally Stupid Assholes

Nomen Nescio wrote in
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From: Bertie the Bunyip

Finally got to talk to my gun totin buddy. He assures me that the
video posted is absolutely correct. I'd seen the holsters OK, but
wasn't too sure if the deficiencies the poster pointed out were for
real or somethig he concocted. Apparently, it's even easier to **** up
holstering the weapon than the video made out. Yipes! I don't really
see the point of the whole locked holster thing myself.
Also, it is standard to have one in the chamber, which I think is also
a mistake, but there ya are. That's the way they're doing it. he just
got back from recurrent training, which is fairly substaintial, but
classified...



Bertie

Thank's for getting that info, Bertie.
I'd heard that's how it's handled, but it seemed so dumb that I found
it rather difficult to believe. Even easier to **** up than the video
showed? I agree with you, Yipes!

I'd also heard that it wasn't just standard to have one in the
chamber. It was REQUIRED.


Same thing in our language.

I guess we can trust a pilot's judgement to get a few hundred people
to their destination safely. But we just can't trust them to be
walking around the airport with an unlocked firearm.

Yeah, I don't get it, really. It's the compromise reached in order to be
able to make it happen.



Bertie

Yeah, I don't get it, really. It's the compromise reached in order to be
able to make it happen.

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With bizarre things like this I often wonder what role the litigation
experts play in the policy that is established.

There's idiotic security measures where I work; in some cases
employees are not informed of complaints against them because "it
might upset the employee".

WTF?

Anyway, I really do wonder what role lawyers played in the
establishement of the sec policy for pilots carrying in the cockpit. I
also wonder if they load "safety" rounds.

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Yeah, I don't get it, really. It's the compromise reached in order to
be
able to make it happen.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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With bizarre things like this I often wonder what role the litigation
experts play in the policy that is established.

There's idiotic security measures where I work; in some cases
employees are not informed of complaints against them because "it
might upset the employee".

WTF?

Anyway, I really do wonder what role lawyers played in the
establishement of the sec policy for pilots carrying in the cockpit. I
also wonder if they load "safety" rounds.



Well, i'm not going to answer the latter, but to the former I don't
think it was so much a legal thing as finding the best way to make sure
the gun didn't end up the owner's own nose. I'm not saying that they
succeeded there, but it's only one facet of the entire defence strategy
they've come up with since the 9-11 hijackings.



Bertie