Corn ethanol days are numbered

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209...googlenews_wsj

To stop the insanity, there's nothing better than the hard reality.

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M wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209...googlenews_wsj

To stop the insanity, there's nothing better than the hard reality.

Ehhanol os a corny solution to the fuel supply.

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On May 3, 12:58*pm, M wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209...?mod=googlenew...

To stop the insanity, there's nothing better than the hard reality.

Its been great business for small engine shops. They can't keep up
with all the gooped up carbs from yard equipment that had this stuff
run through it. Never leave fuel with ethanol in an engine overnight,
always drain the fuel and run it until the carb is clear of fuel.

-Robert

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On May 3, 12:58*pm, M wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209...?mod=googlenew...

To stop the insanity, there's nothing better than the hard reality.

Its been great business for small engine shops. They can't keep up
with all the gooped up carbs from yard equipment that had this stuff
run through it. Never leave fuel with ethanol in an engine overnight,
always drain the fuel and run it until the carb is clear of fuel.

-Robert

Dumb question: Is this ethanol-laced gas a problem for newer small
engines? It doesn't seem to bother my motorcycle, lawnmower or
tug (aviation content)? Or have I just been lucky and don't have this
ethanol-laced junk around here in the Boston area?

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Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Sun, 04 May 2008 07:43:46 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote:

It doesn't seem to bother my motorcycle, lawnmower or
tug (aviation content)?

Same here. We've had 10% for years, as an MTBE replacement.

Or have I just been lucky and don't have this
ethanol-laced junk around here in the Boston area?

You probably have it, as CT and NY have at least 10% ethanol.

In article ,
Bob Noel wrote:

In article
,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On May 3, 12:58*pm, M wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209...?mod=googlenew...

To stop the insanity, there's nothing better than the hard reality.

Its been great business for small engine shops. They can't keep up
with all the gooped up carbs from yard equipment that had this stuff
run through it. Never leave fuel with ethanol in an engine overnight,
always drain the fuel and run it until the carb is clear of fuel.

-Robert

Dumb question: Is this ethanol-laced gas a problem for newer small
engines? It doesn't seem to bother my motorcycle, lawnmower or
tug (aviation content)? Or have I just been lucky and don't have this
ethanol-laced junk around here in the Boston area?

It isn't so much the carburetors as the materials in the fuel tanks,
although the alcohol can attract water, which will corrode things.

It is the solvent effect of the alcohol on plastics and resins used in
fuel tanks, for instance. Boaters who have fiberglass fuel tanks are
seeing a lot of problems because the alcohol attacks the (usually
polyester) resins used to bond and seal the tanks. It produces a goo,
which invades and clogs things like filters and carburetor jets.

Thank you, environmentalists and Archer-Daniels Midland!

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
Bob Noel wrote:

In article
,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On May 3, 12:58 pm, M wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209...?mod=googlenew...

To stop the insanity, there's nothing better than the hard reality.
Its been great business for small engine shops. They can't keep up
with all the gooped up carbs from yard equipment that had this stuff
run through it. Never leave fuel with ethanol in an engine overnight,
always drain the fuel and run it until the carb is clear of fuel.

-Robert
Dumb question: Is this ethanol-laced gas a problem for newer small
engines? It doesn't seem to bother my motorcycle, lawnmower or
tug (aviation content)? Or have I just been lucky and don't have this
ethanol-laced junk around here in the Boston area?

It isn't so much the carburetors as the materials in the fuel tanks,
although the alcohol can attract water, which will corrode things.

It is the solvent effect of the alcohol on plastics and resins used in
fuel tanks, for instance. Boaters who have fiberglass fuel tanks are
seeing a lot of problems because the alcohol attacks the (usually
polyester) resins used to bond and seal the tanks. It produces a goo,
which invades and clogs things like filters and carburetor jets.

Thank you, environmentalists and Archer-Daniels Midland!


The REAL problem is that we haven't even begun to see the result of the
unbelievable incompetence, corruption, and utter stupidity that has been
the result of the actions of the people we have elected to office in the
United States.
There will be a WHOLE LOT of suffering before things get better, and at
this point in time, a fairly viable argument can be made that things
indeed, might never be reversed.


--
Dudley Henriques

On 2008-05-04, Robert M. Gary wrote:
Its been great business for small engine shops. They can't keep up
with all the gooped up carbs from yard equipment that had this stuff
run through it. Never leave fuel with ethanol in an engine overnight,
always drain the fuel and run it until the carb is clear of fuel.

Hm. Our snowblower doesn't ahve this problem, but then it's only a few years
old, and it gets fuel stabilizer added when we think it's not going to be
run for a while.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...


The REAL problem is that we haven't even begun to see the result of the
unbelievable incompetence, corruption, and utter stupidity that has been
the result of the actions of the people we have elected to office in the
United States.
There will be a WHOLE LOT of suffering before things get better, and at
this point in time, a fairly viable argument can be made that things
indeed, might never be reversed.


--
Dudley Henriques


George Bernard Shaw said it best,
"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we
deserve."

and similarly
"We have met the enemy and he is us." Walt Kelly in Pogo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_(comics)

As pilots we are trained to accept responsibility for our actions as PIC,
but sadly we do not receive similar quality training as voters or citizens.
We tolerate a corrupted and fraudulent democracy and government, and allow
ourselves to be distracted by unimportant irrelevancies. It is often said
that addicts cannot begin their recovery until they admit that they have hit
bottom and this seems to also be the case for citizens who do nothing until
they find themselves shouting out the window that "I'm mad as hell and I'm
not going to take it anymore." (Howard Beale from the movie Network).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_%28film%29

We say we value freedom above all else, and imagine ourselves as free, but
our freedom is limited and totally controlled by authoritarian governments
that despite their claimed intentions, are best described as criminal
enterprises. IMHO the greatest line in Rock&Roll is Kris Kristofferson's,
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kristofferson
(interestingly, also an Army helicopter pilot, West Point professor, and son
of a USAF Major General)

Happy landings,

On May 4, 4:43*am, Bob Noel
wrote:
In article ,
*"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Dumb question: *Is this ethanol-laced gas a problem for newer small
engines? *It doesn't seem to bother my motorcycle, lawnmower or
tug (aviation content)? *Or have I just been lucky and don't have this
ethanol-laced junk around here in the Boston area?

I'm not sure if your gas in Boston has ethanol or not. In California
we are either 10% or 15% ethanol as I recall. Most new mowers in
California come with a fuel shutoff valve. The shutdown procedure is
to turn off the fuel valve and run the appliance until its out of gas.
That ensures that the carb is clear of fuel. In addition, we use
stablizers out here. It appears especially important for 2 stroke gas.
I use Stabil myself. I also put it in my boat and any car that doesn't
use its entire tank in 30 days.

-Robet