"Priceless" in Afghanistan

kind of doubt a loaded B1B could fly supersonic that low. Max speed is
something like mach 1.2. Sounds like bull**** to me.

Sure they can. This is not the first (or, I'm sure last) time a Bone has done a
super sonic pass as a show of force over Afghanistan.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...

I'm sure it could, but how long they could do it, I don't know. Personally I
think a 60-degree climb to "out-of-sight" flight level is more impressive than
a 90-degree climb to a few thousand feet above where you started the climb.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
...
Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...

I'm sure it could, but how long they could do it, I don't know. Personally
I
think a 60-degree climb to "out-of-sight" flight level is more impressive
than
a 90-degree climb to a few thousand feet above where you started the
climb.


I'm still impressed years later after watching a U-2-R2 take off from
Moffett and disappear directly overhead at the Mt. View Baylands
where I stood. That's about 3 miles for the ground leg and if I knew
the altitude where it would disappear on a perfectly clear summer day
it would be a very simple trig. problem. Sure looked like straight up to me.


JK

"David Casey" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:10:20 -0500, Allen Epps wrote in

May I introduce David Casey. He wants to join the Air National Guard in NM
but can't get the waiver. He's part of a group that still attempts to take
over certain areas on the usenets with this BS. He's part of the so called
404th that infests the us.* areas. Just ignore the idiot and press on.

(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...

I'm sure it could, but how long they could do it, I don't know. Personally I
think a 60-degree climb to "out-of-sight" flight level is more impressive than
a 90-degree climb to a few thousand feet above where you started the climb.


BUFDRVR

I don't doubt your assessment for a second...however...do you
really think that if an a/c can climb to 'out of sight' at 60 deg
that it can only climb a few thousand feet at 90?....doesn't
compute to me.

Mind you, while at certain weights/power level combinations this
could certainly be possible it doesn't sound very practical in
general.
--

-Gord.

I don't doubt your assessment for a second...however...do you
really think that if an a/c can climb to 'out of sight' at 60 deg
that it can only climb a few thousand feet at 90?....doesn't
compute to me.

I'll only speak from personal experience here. Believe it or not, at one point
the B-52H held the Time to Climb record for its class (or at least, that's what
my FTU IP told me, although 8 years later I've not checked it out) and will
climb pretty good at an *initial* climb angle of 50-60 degrees. Now, if you
increase that angle of climb by just a few degrees, you get a very small VVI
increase, but a greater airspeed loss (ops checked by myself as a young
co-pilot with too agressive of a pull). I've never taken a BUFF to 90-degrees
in the real world, but if the sim is any indication, you could not sustain a
90-degree climb for more than 7-10 seconds before you ran out of flying
airspeed. In 7-10 seconds, by my guess, you would only climb about 3,000 feet
(if that). Now, perhaps a light weight Bone has greater excess thrust (easy to
check on fas.org), but I don't think a Bone could go verticle for too much
longer than a BUFF.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(BUFDRVR) wrote:

I don't doubt your assessment for a second...however...do you
really think that if an a/c can climb to 'out of sight' at 60 deg
that it can only climb a few thousand feet at 90?....doesn't
compute to me.

I'll only speak from personal experience here. Believe it or not, at one point
the B-52H held the Time to Climb record for its class (or at least, that's what
my FTU IP told me, although 8 years later I've not checked it out) and will
climb pretty good at an *initial* climb angle of 50-60 degrees. Now, if you
increase that angle of climb by just a few degrees, you get a very small VVI
increase, but a greater airspeed loss (ops checked by myself as a young
co-pilot with too agressive of a pull). I've never taken a BUFF to 90-degrees
in the real world, but if the sim is any indication, you could not sustain a
90-degree climb for more than 7-10 seconds before you ran out of flying
airspeed. In 7-10 seconds, by my guess, you would only climb about 3,000 feet
(if that). Now, perhaps a light weight Bone has greater excess thrust (easy to
check on fas.org), but I don't think a Bone could go verticle for too much
longer than a BUFF.


BUFDRVR

Probably correct...I was just going by gut feeling with no B-52
experience at all (but a lot of other ~heavy a/c experience). I
sit corrected.


--

-Gord.

"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:44:04 GMT,
"Gord Beaman" ) "Gord Beaman" )
attempted to say .....

"Admin" wrote:

The fact remains that the B-1B is not designed for
a 90 degree vertical unless you like smacking the ground and spreading
yourself over a country mile.



Don't let's get all silly here...we're talking generalities and
I think most posters here seem to think (me too) that any a/c can
go vertical if even for a short time. There may be some with
particular reasons why they can't but in general they all can.

This makes sense to me. And as Judge Judy says "If it makes sense
to me then it's true!"

The B52 wasn't designed for low level penetration operations.

But then those SAC crews must have been wrong all those years for
practicing it....

Just what do you know about the B-52? You are an Army Guard. Let me
introduce another of the us.military.army 404k00ks.

" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"Tank Fixer" wrote in
message
k.net
In article ,
on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:22:23 -0600,
"Duke of URL" macbenahATkdsiDOTnet "Duke of URL"
macbenahATkdsiDOTnet attempted to say .....

In ,
redc1c4 radiated into
the
WorldWideWait:
Tank Fixer wrote:

Bob Hover,
Boeing 727,
Loop.

Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston
707
Barrel Roll

All pilots
Any airplane
Stark raving lunatics


Just those who jump out of the perfectly good ones are
lunitics.

Any plane captain will tell you there's no such thing as a
perfectly good airplane.

And here is the 404k00k with the 5 purple hearts and not even a Bronze to go
with them. He used to post as his first name of Syndey. Hope you don't
mind if I don't leave the k00ks area in the address.

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
...
"Admin" wrote:


"Tosser" wrote in message
...

"Admin" wrote in message
...


Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...


Power to weight.


According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.


You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....

No but going completely vertical at the blink of an eye, you do lose your
wings.


WTF does that mean?...you didn't go to 60 degrees instantly did
you?...why must you go to 90 instantly?...

I just like to have two good wings on any AC I happen to be on at the time.
There is enough escapes on the B-1 but not on all AC. But I guess we need
to be overtaxing our Airframes on a daily basis so we can test them out once
in awhile.