Traffic advisories workload permitting?

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic advisories
are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller must
either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm looking for
this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing it.

-robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic advisories
are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller must
either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm looking for
this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing it.

What workload permitting means is the controller doesn't have the option of
denying traffic advisories so long as his/her workload permits. If you look
at the practical side of it, a controller can be very busy one minute and
mostly idle the next, so does that mean a controller must add more workload
by cancelling FF for each and every aircraft when they may be soon idle?
Most controllers aren't going to, and I can't say I would want them to
anyway.

Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic advisories
are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller must
either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm looking for
this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not be able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic nearby that the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the pilot/controller
glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations; e.g., radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or controller workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of his/her
responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are cautioned that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give traffic
advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's proximity; in other words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she should not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic advisories
are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller must
either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm looking for
this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not be
able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic nearby that
the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the pilot/controller
glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations; e.g., radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or controller
workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of his/her
responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are cautioned that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give traffic
advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's proximity; in other
words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she should
not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

5 by 5 luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic advisories
are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller must
either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm looking for
this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not be
able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic nearby that
the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the pilot/controller
glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations; e.g., radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or controller
workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of his/her
responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are cautioned that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give traffic
advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's proximity; in other
words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she should
not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

Oh come on now.

While not by any means a MX defender, if he answers a question with a
valid reference, that should be that and the insults reserved for when
he goes off into pontificate mode.


--
Jim Pennino

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5 by 5 luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic advisories
are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However, I seem to
recall some of our controller friends saying that as long as an
aircraft is currently being given flight following the controller must
either advise traffic or cancel the flight following. I'm looking for
this type of language in the 7110 but I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not be
able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic nearby
that
the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the pilot/controller
glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations; e.g.,
radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or controller
workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of his/her
responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are cautioned
that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give traffic
advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's proximity; in other
words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she should
not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

Oh come on now.

While not by any means a MX defender, if he answers a question with a
valid reference, that should be that and the insults reserved for when
he goes off into pontificate mode.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Preemptive strike.

"The Bunyip Slayer" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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wrote in message
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5 by 5 luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic
advisories are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However,
I seem to recall some of our controller friends saying that as
long as an aircraft is currently being given flight following the
controller must either advise traffic or cancel the flight
following. I'm looking for this type of language in the 7110 but
I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not
be able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic
nearby that
the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the
pilot/controller glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations;
e.g., radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or controller
workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of
his/her responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are
cautioned that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give
traffic advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's
proximity; in other words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she
should not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

Oh come on now.

While not by any means a MX defender, if he answers a question with a
valid reference, that should be that and the insults reserved for
when he goes off into pontificate mode.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Preemptive strike.


Snort!


bertie

The Bunyip Slayer luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

Preemptive strike.

Is that they way you act towards your kids when they do something right?

--
Jim Pennino

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"The Bunyip Slayer" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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wrote in message
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5 by 5 luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic
advisories are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However,
I seem to recall some of our controller friends saying that as
long as an aircraft is currently being given flight following the
controller must either advise traffic or cancel the flight
following. I'm looking for this type of language in the 7110 but
I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not
be able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic
nearby that
the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the
pilot/controller glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations;
e.g., radar
limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or controller
workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of
his/her responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are
cautioned that
there are many times when the controller is not able to give
traffic advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's
proximity; in other words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she
should not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

Oh come on now.

While not by any means a MX defender, if he answers a question with a
valid reference, that should be that and the insults reserved for
when he goes off into pontificate mode.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Preemptive strike.



And well justified in Anthony's case.

wrote in :

5 by 5 luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Robert M. Gary writes:

I know that the AIM tell us that class E airspace traffic
advisories are given to VFR aircraft on a workload basis. However,
I seem to recall some of our controller friends saying that as long
as an aircraft is currently being given flight following the
controller must either advise traffic or cancel the flight
following. I'm looking for this type of language in the 7110 but
I'm not seeing it.

The controller is not required to call out all traffic, and may not
be able
to. The pilot should always assume that there may be traffic nearby
that the
controller cannot point out. This is mentioned in the
pilot/controller glossary of the 7710 under Traffic Advisories:

"Traffic advisory service will be provided to the extent possible
depending on
higher priority duties of the controller or other limitations; e.g.,
radar limitations, volume of traffic, frequency congestion, or
controller workload.
Radar/ nonradar traffic advisories do not relieve the pilot of
his/her responsibility to see and avoid other aircraft. Pilots are
cautioned that there are many times when the controller is not able
to give traffic advisories concerning all traffic in the aircraft's
proximity; in other words,
when a pilot requests or is receiving traffic advisories, he/she
should not
assume that all traffic will be issued."

It doesn't matter if your just flying a desk retard.

Oh come on now.

While not by any means a MX defender, if he answers a question with a
valid reference, that should be that and the insults reserved for when
he goes off into pontificate mode.


Uh oh. I think you just made the lits again.



Bertie