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Hi Gang
As of August 1, 08 a new set of rules, agreed to between the FAA and Pasco, has taken effect for the 2 wave window areas both north and south of Reno Intl. These new rules initiated by the FAA are due to the Hawker/ glider midair about 2 years ago and need to improve safety in the air. I was unaware of these new rules until they had been implemented and wonder if other wave window area around the US are now subject to similar rules? If you do not know what a wave window is it is permission to fly in certain regions of class A airspace (above 18k msl) over a certain designated area whose 4 corners are defined and within a designated time window (say 12 noon to 18:00 hours). The FAA redirects traffic to avoid the window and previously any glider could enter the window without a transponder nor with any communication with anyone. Wave window altitudes had to be requested by Soar Minden or other designated glider ops and were not limited to any specific value. At Minden wave windows most commonly requested were to 26k and on exceptional days as high as 35k. This has now changed. All gliders entering class A airspace must have an operating mode C transponder. All gliders must communicate intent to enter the window and provide an identifier (comp ID or N number etc) which will be given to the controller before entry. The maximum new wave window altitude is 28k. The can be changed by exception for say a record but has to be approved by prior agreement. I think we have all been waiting to see what the long term consequences of the Hawker/glider midair would be. It must be clear to all that that accident should not have occurred and could easily have been prevented. I predict that the next foot to drop will be the glider transponder exemption above 10k. Having put a transponder in my SparrowHawk without any problems after the Hawker incident I would encourage all glider pilots to do the same. Safety is not an option. I would be interested to hear if these new wave rules at Minden have been mandated elsewhere in the US or whether we are the guinea pig. I suspect we are that animal. For those who are interested in seeing the letter of agreement between Pasco and the FAA email me privately and I will email you a copy of the letter plus color maps of our 5 wave window areas. Dave |
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Unfortunately, without a change in FAA procedures, just putting a
transponder in a glider is not going to solve the risk of midairs. Currently, the FAA relies on see and avoid for separation between IFR and VFR traffic. As a result, the TCAS system is being used as a primary collision avoidance tool, for which it was never designed. The disturbing frequency of TCAS Resolution Advisories was alluded to in the NTSB letter earlier this year to the FAA and the SSA concerning the Minden midair. They pointed out that in the 30 days prior to this midair, there were 4 other TCAS RAs in the Reno area alone. MIT's Lincoln Lab did a study from June 2005 to January 2006 in the Boston area. During this 190 day interval, they observed 1725 TCAS RAs within the 60 mile range of Lincoln Lab's sensor. This was an average of 9 TCAS RAs per day, or one per 116 flight hours of Mode S transponder equipped aircraft in that area. Here is a link to the Lincoln Lab journal article: http://www.ll.mit.edu/publications/j...2_04Kuchar.pdf Not only do we need to get everyone equipped with transponders (or ADS-B transceivers), but we also need to get ATC to start vectoring IFR traffic around known VFR targets instead of just verbally calling out traffic advisories to aircraft that are on an obvious collision trajectory. Mike Schumann wrote in message ... Hi Gang As of August 1, 08 a new set of rules, agreed to between the FAA and Pasco, has taken effect for the 2 wave window areas both north and south of Reno Intl. These new rules initiated by the FAA are due to the Hawker/ glider midair about 2 years ago and need to improve safety in the air. I was unaware of these new rules until they had been implemented and wonder if other wave window area around the US are now subject to similar rules? If you do not know what a wave window is it is permission to fly in certain regions of class A airspace (above 18k msl) over a certain designated area whose 4 corners are defined and within a designated time window (say 12 noon to 18:00 hours). The FAA redirects traffic to avoid the window and previously any glider could enter the window without a transponder nor with any communication with anyone. Wave window altitudes had to be requested by Soar Minden or other designated glider ops and were not limited to any specific value. At Minden wave windows most commonly requested were to 26k and on exceptional days as high as 35k. This has now changed. All gliders entering class A airspace must have an operating mode C transponder. All gliders must communicate intent to enter the window and provide an identifier (comp ID or N number etc) which will be given to the controller before entry. The maximum new wave window altitude is 28k. The can be changed by exception for say a record but has to be approved by prior agreement. I think we have all been waiting to see what the long term consequences of the Hawker/glider midair would be. It must be clear to all that that accident should not have occurred and could easily have been prevented. I predict that the next foot to drop will be the glider transponder exemption above 10k. Having put a transponder in my SparrowHawk without any problems after the Hawker incident I would encourage all glider pilots to do the same. Safety is not an option. I would be interested to hear if these new wave rules at Minden have been mandated elsewhere in the US or whether we are the guinea pig. I suspect we are that animal. For those who are interested in seeing the letter of agreement between Pasco and the FAA email me privately and I will email you a copy of the letter plus color maps of our 5 wave window areas. Dave ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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![]() wrote in message ... Hi Gang As of August 1, 08 a new set of rules, agreed to between the FAA and Pasco, has taken effect for the 2 wave window areas both north and south of Reno Intl. These new rules initiated by the FAA are due to the Hawker/ glider midair about 2 years ago and need to improve safety in the air. I was unaware of these new rules until they had been implemented and wonder if other wave window area around the US are now subject to similar rules? If you do not know what a wave window is it is permission to fly in certain regions of class A airspace (above 18k msl) over a certain designated area whose 4 corners are defined and within a designated time window (say 12 noon to 18:00 hours). The FAA redirects traffic to avoid the window and previously any glider could enter the window without a transponder nor with any communication with anyone. Wave window altitudes had to be requested by Soar Minden or other designated glider ops and were not limited to any specific value. At Minden wave windows most commonly requested were to 26k and on exceptional days as high as 35k. This has now changed. All gliders entering class A airspace must have an operating mode C transponder. All gliders must communicate intent to enter the window and provide an identifier (comp ID or N number etc) which will be given to the controller before entry. The maximum new wave window altitude is 28k. The can be changed by exception for say a record but has to be approved by prior agreement. I think we have all been waiting to see what the long term consequences of the Hawker/glider midair would be. It must be clear to all that that accident should not have occurred and could easily have been prevented. I predict that the next foot to drop will be the glider transponder exemption above 10k. Having put a transponder in my SparrowHawk without any problems after the Hawker incident I would encourage all glider pilots to do the same. Safety is not an option. I would be interested to hear if these new wave rules at Minden have been mandated elsewhere in the US or whether we are the guinea pig. I suspect we are that animal. For those who are interested in seeing the letter of agreement between Pasco and the FAA email me privately and I will email you a copy of the letter plus color maps of our 5 wave window areas. Dave If I recall correctly, the collision was at 16,000 MSL, and the glider was thermaling. So he was not in Class A airspace, and perhaps had no intention of so doing. I'm not sure he was in the Minden wave window area either. So this new agreement would not have changed this accident. Visual separation is inadequate for those pilots not used to looking for gliders. Thanks for the update Hartley Falbaum-- Georgia, USA |
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HL Falbaum wrote:
If I recall correctly, the collision was at 16,000 MSL, and the glider was thermaling. So he was not in Class A airspace, and perhaps had no intention of so doing. I'm not sure he was in the Minden wave window area either. So this new agreement would not have changed this accident. Visual separation is inadequate for those pilots not used to looking for gliders. IIRC, changes to the Minden Wave Window LOA were in the process of negotiation when the collision occurred, which caused it be placed on the back burner. After the NTSB finished up and left, the negotiations restarted. The following is random recollection from various email conversations that passed through my inbox, please do not assume 100% correctness. Apparently, Reno ATC was apparently not happy with the outcome of the NTSB discussions, so they started playing hard ball with the 1000 ft or so of airspace they control from FL 180 up to that controlled by Oakland Center. They ended up demanding a transponder to pass through that airspace, or they would refuse to sign off on the LOA. Bottom line, this is local politics, it has nothing to do with wave windows elsewhere in the US... Marc |
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