Don Henly, Dubya, & Linda Ronstadt

know_buddee wrote:

They can't face the obvious fact that the thousands Iraqis and
Americans who've been killed and crippled would have been healthy and
happy people today - if it weren't for dubya's dumb (flat out evil)
insistance on invading Iraq.

There are mass graves in Iraq that prove that statement is false...but please,
don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Vince Brannigan wrote:

That's quite a statement and I would really like to have you elaborate on
the statement. If it is imperialism , it is only in the broadest sense
that
the US was extending it's influence into Iraq. It's difficult to think of
that as being bad for anyone given the nature of the Saddam regime. Were
the Balkan's intervention also imperialism?


The difference is UN support

The U.N. *did not* support Operation ALLIED FORCE in 1999. Do you think that
was imperialism?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

John Kunkel wrote:

So, only 150 total
non-combatants killed in all the B-52 raids during the entire Vietnam
conflict? OK. Sure.

Actually, I stand corrected. There are a total of only 275 documented civilian
deaths from B-52 strikes. This from "The 11 Days of Christmas" by Marshal L.
Michel;

"Tragically bombs from one of the downed B-52s fell on the Bach Mai hospital,
causing considerable damage....." (p.173)

"The Bach Mai hospital bombing killed twenty-five members of the staff,
including fifteen nurses." (p.173)

"An errant string of bombs fell on Kham Thein Street, a civilian shopping
district, and killed over 250 civilians." (p.202)

And this is the main reason why the U.S. doesn't intentionally hit civilians;

"By killing so many people on Kham Thein Street the Americans united everyone
behind their government" (p.202)

So there you go, 275 documented and because of the remote areas hit in Arc
Light missions, I'll stick to my initial claim of 100 for a total of 375. How
many thousands have been pulled from mass graves in Iraq?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

From: Vince Brannigan
Date: 8/11/2004 7:04 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:



Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Vince Brannigan" wrote in message
...

1000 dead americans and allies in iraq and not a single WMD is failure



Not a single WMD has been found? What's so bad about extraordinarily light
casualties?



no, not a single WMD has been found. and,

Really? Then explain the sarin filled shells found by the Poles 2 months ago.
Explain the sarin filled artillery shell found by the U.S. military as part of
a roadside IED.

Granted a few shells doesn't amount to much, but Saddam told the U.N. there
were none. It is highly probable he didn't know about those.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

US *

Any chance this is Kramer in disguise?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
...
US *

Any chance this is Kramer in disguise?


I don't think so, Kramer has never shown an aversion to making a fool of
himself so I don't think he'd bother posting under another name. It's a new
loon entirely.

From: (ZZBunker)
Date: 8/12/2004 12:54 AM Central Daylight Time

snip

That doesn't, since the British already proved it doesn't work
about 500 years ago.

Which is why today in the US, Florida and the
Mafia are still the only two states that
have no state taxes.

All U.S. states have all kinds of taxes. Florida is no exception.

If you mean state income taxes Florida isn't the only one that doesn't. We
don't need it since assorted hotel and motel taxes are paid by the tourists.

In any event, what does this have to do with military aviation?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"* US *" wrote in message
...
Vietnam started with fewer deaths by far than the Iraq invasion.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:36:40 GMT, "Jarg"
wrote:

When was the comparable period in Vietnam?

Jarg

You could know that already if you weren't effectively brain-dead.

Strictly speaking, there's no truly comparable period, as this conflict
has been escalated far-more rapidly than that one was. It is already
far worse.

You have to want to *waste* US troops to support Bush's war crimes.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:43:15 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

... extraordinarily light
casualties ...

The casualties in Iraq are already worse than those from the
comparable period in Vietnam.

There is no comparable period in Vietnam. This is not Vietnam 1965. This is
not the Cold War. Get over it.


The bushkultie isn't happy if too few US soldiers are killed ...

He imagines that travesty didn't start more slowly than this one.

From: * US *
Date: 8/12/2004 5:46 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Everyone knew Saddam was probably disarmed and the inspectors
were on the verge of confirming it when Bush forced them out.

Really? Then how come so many people including Al Bore were saying Saddam had
WMD as late as mid 2002?

"...a former Pentagon Air Force Traffic controller writes:
"All those years ago when I was in the Pentagon, this wouldn't have happened.
ATC Radar
images were (and are) available in the understructures of the Pentagon, and
any commercial
flight within 300 miles of DC that made an abrupt course change toward
Washington, turned
off their transponder, and refused to communicate with ATC, would have been
intercepted at
supersonic speeds within a max of 9 minutes by a Fighter out of Andrews.
Period. Why these
planes weren't, baffles me. If we could get fighters off the ground in 2
minutes then, we
could now." ..."

Why would the Pentagon need scope dopes? As an ATC he would need to control air
traffic. How could he do it and no one in federal ATC not know about it? What
would the above scope dope's chain of command be? For that matter who in the
Pentagon had authority to issue such a launch order on such short notice?

Do you always accept stories such as this on faith alone?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article ,
(BUFDRVR) wrote:

"...a former Pentagon Air Force Traffic controller writes

Uhhh? Not much need for a guy on the scope at the Pentagon.

ATC Radar
images were (and are) available in the understructures of the Pentagon

Interesting, I worked in the "understructures" of the Pentagon and I
never saw
an "ATC room". It amazes me the myths surrounding that building...

Or how some things got so mundane. I can remember more than once turning
too soon, and have a fairly bored guard say "no, this is the back
entrance to the National Military Command Center [1]. The Army Map Depot
is the next corridor down, on the left."

[1] Technically the National Military Intelligence Center at that level.


would have been intercepted at
supersonic speeds within a max of 9 minutes by a Fighter out of Andrews.

Maybe in 1958, but certainly not in 2001.

In either case, with how much fuel after a supersonic intercept? And
just how did a presumed Soviet get there from the north?