Cessna 402A?'s

[NW_PILOT]

I may have a chance to acquire a Cessna 402A with low time engines wondering
what the good the bad the uglies are?

"Please Don't Mention Expencive Fuel Costs I Know They Are HI It A Twin!"



Steven Rhine
CP-ASEL-IA
CFI, Multi, ATP Student

[Jim Burns]

One place to start would be http://twin.cessna.org and the links associated
with this page.
Jim

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message
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> I may have a chance to acquire a Cessna 402A with low time engines
wondering
> what the good the bad the uglies are?
>
> "Please Don't Mention Expencive Fuel Costs I Know They Are HI It A Twin!"
>
>
>
> Steven Rhine
> CP-ASEL-IA
> CFI, Multi, ATP Student
>
>

[Jon Kraus]

Make sure you make the video when you roll it for us. :-)

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

NW_PILOT wrote:
> I may have a chance to acquire a Cessna 402A with low time engines wondering
> what the good the bad the uglies are?
>
> "Please Don't Mention Expencive Fuel Costs I Know They Are HI It A Twin!"
>
>
>
> Steven Rhine
> CP-ASEL-IA
> CFI, Multi, ATP Student
>
>

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>
> NW_PILOT wrote:
> > I may have a chance to acquire a Cessna 402A with low time engines wondering
> > what the good the bad the uglies are?


Steve: Make sure that you stay current with the proposed wing spar AD
for the 400 series Cessnas. Last time that I looked at the estimated
cost to comply, it was close to the value of the aircraft. The time
estimates for tha actual compliance really make it a killer AD for the
aircraft that are required to undergo the mod.

Craig C.
cvairwerks at ev1.net

[Mike W.]

What he said.

> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > NW_PILOT wrote:
> > > I may have a chance to acquire a Cessna 402A with low time engines
wondering
> > > what the good the bad the uglies are?
>
>
> Steve: Make sure that you stay current with the proposed wing spar AD
> for the 400 series Cessnas. Last time that I looked at the estimated
> cost to comply, it was close to the value of the aircraft. The time
> estimates for tha actual compliance really make it a killer AD for the
> aircraft that are required to undergo the mod.
>
> Craig C.
> cvairwerks at ev1.net
>

[Juan Jimenez]

Second the motion.

> wrote in message
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>
> Steve: Make sure that you stay current with the proposed wing spar AD
> for the 400 series Cessnas. Last time that I looked at the estimated
> cost to comply, it was close to the value of the aircraft. The time
> estimates for tha actual compliance really make it a killer AD for the
> aircraft that are required to undergo the mod.
>
> Craig C.
> cvairwerks at ev1.net
>

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Might be worth more money as a collection of salvage parts than as a
whole aircraft.

[NW_PILOT]

Ok decided against it would not be able to afford that big AD thanks a
bunch.


"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
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> Second the motion.
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> >
> > Steve: Make sure that you stay current with the proposed wing spar AD
> > for the 400 series Cessnas. Last time that I looked at the estimated
> > cost to comply, it was close to the value of the aircraft. The time
> > estimates for tha actual compliance really make it a killer AD for the
> > aircraft that are required to undergo the mod.
> >
> > Craig C.
> > cvairwerks at ev1.net
> >
>
>

[Darrel Toepfer]

NW_PILOT wrote:

> Ok decided against it would not be able to afford that big AD thanks a
> bunch.

Uh it isn't one - yet...

[NW_PILOT]

Well if where to come out! To risky my wallet is not that thick yet!


"Darrel Toepfer" > wrote in message
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> NW_PILOT wrote:
>
> > Ok decided against it would not be able to afford that big AD thanks a
> > bunch.
>
> Uh it isn't one - yet...

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NW_PILOT wrote:
> Well if where to come out! To risky my wallet is not that thick yet!
>

What is your expected typical flight profile and maybe we can recommend
another a/c that might fill the profile.

Craig C.
cvairwerks at ev1.net

[NW_PILOT]

I would like to get something that I can learn in & use for a multi time
builder.


> wrote in message
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> NW_PILOT wrote:
> > Well if where to come out! To risky my wallet is not that thick yet!
> >
>
> What is your expected typical flight profile and maybe we can recommend
> another a/c that might fill the profile.
>
> Craig C.
> cvairwerks at ev1.net
>

[[email protected]]

NW_PILOT wrote:
> I would like to get something that I can learn in & use for a multi time
> builder.

I'd recommend looking for a good Aztec. There's lots of them on the
market right now, and they're pretty tame to fly and relatively tame on
the pocketbook to operate and maintain... as far as twins go anyway.

[Michael]

> I would like to get something that I can learn in & use for a multi time
> builder.

Really, the way to go if you want to build cheap multi time is an
Apache. Get one with the stock (150 hp) engines and run it on autogas.
Sure, it's dead slow, but as long as you only use the front seat, the
single engine performance is acceptable - and nothing else can be had
or operated at that price. Plus it sure is roomy.

If you actually want some performance for your money, think TravelAir
or Twin Comanche. Neither has the cabin room of an Apache (the
TravelAir is better for the tall, the Twin Comanche for the wide) but
they're still comfortable. Now you're looking at about 200 mph max
cruise (though you will probably run it at 170-180 mph most of the
time, for fuel economy) and a fighting chance on one engine at full
gross, as long as you're not in the mountains.

The Geronimo is a player, but you get TravelAir fuel burn and a lot
less speed.

Or you can go Duchess or Seminole - that way you can burn as much fuel
as the TravelAir or Geronimo, go as slow as an Apache, have a smaller
cabin than a Twin Comanche, and pay more to buy than any of them - but
they sure are docile to fly, and thus cheap to insure, and you will
probably get your money back when you sell.

Anything else you buy will likely wind up costing more to operate than
renting the twin trainer at your local flight school.

Michael

[NW_PILOT]

"Michael" > wrote in message
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> > I would like to get something that I can learn in & use for a multi time
> > builder.
>
> Really, the way to go if you want to build cheap multi time is an
> Apache. Get one with the stock (150 hp) engines and run it on autogas.
> Sure, it's dead slow, but as long as you only use the front seat, the
> single engine performance is acceptable - and nothing else can be had
> or operated at that price. Plus it sure is roomy.
>
> If you actually want some performance for your money, think TravelAir
> or Twin Comanche. Neither has the cabin room of an Apache (the
> TravelAir is better for the tall, the Twin Comanche for the wide) but
> they're still comfortable. Now you're looking at about 200 mph max
> cruise (though you will probably run it at 170-180 mph most of the
> time, for fuel economy) and a fighting chance on one engine at full
> gross, as long as you're not in the mountains.
>
> The Geronimo is a player, but you get TravelAir fuel burn and a lot
> less speed.
>
> Or you can go Duchess or Seminole - that way you can burn as much fuel
> as the TravelAir or Geronimo, go as slow as an Apache, have a smaller
> cabin than a Twin Comanche, and pay more to buy than any of them - but
> they sure are docile to fly, and thus cheap to insure, and you will
> probably get your money back when you sell.
>
> Anything else you buy will likely wind up costing more to operate than
> renting the twin trainer at your local flight school.
>
> Michael
>

Thank you very much for that rundown.

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NW Pilot which part of the country you are located. I am in the market
to purchase a Seminole for the same purpose. May be we can join our
forces..

Drop me a line at (remove the usual)

[NW_PILOT]

Portland, OR Aera,


> wrote in message
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> NW Pilot which part of the country you are located. I am in the market
> to purchase a Seminole for the same purpose. May be we can join our
> forces..
>
> Drop me a line at (remove the usual)
>