Re: New People's Republic of China Fighter Aircraft - FC-1

[robert arndt]

(Kevin Brooks) wrote in message >...
> "TJ" > wrote in message >...
> > The following links show the first flight of the FC-1 yesterday. The first
> > export customer will be Pakistan.
> >
> > http://tiexue.top81.com.cn/dspic/files/115.JPG
> >
> > http://www.hongkongads.com/lb5000/non-cgi/usr/14/14_166_9.jpg
> >
> > http://www.hongkongads.com/lb5000/non-cgi/usr/14/14_166_10.jpg
> >
> > TJ
>
> Gee, not only does it bear some resemblance to the Indian LCA, but it
> is apparently about as far behind the original development schedule as
> that dinosaur.
>
> Brooks

Here's some more news:

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/fighter/fc1.asp

Rob

[Scott Ferrin]

On 26 Aug 2003 21:09:10 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

(Kevin Brooks) wrote in message >...
>> "TJ" > wrote in message >...
>> > The following links show the first flight of the FC-1 yesterday. The first
>> > export customer will be Pakistan.
>> >
>> > http://tiexue.top81.com.cn/dspic/files/115.JPG
>> >
>> > http://www.hongkongads.com/lb5000/non-cgi/usr/14/14_166_9.jpg
>> >
>> > http://www.hongkongads.com/lb5000/non-cgi/usr/14/14_166_10.jpg
>> >
>> > TJ
>>
>> Gee, not only does it bear some resemblance to the Indian LCA, but it
>> is apparently about as far behind the original development schedule as
>> that dinosaur.
>>
>> Brooks
>
>Here's some more news:
>
>http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/fighter/fc1.asp
>
>Rob



Why would they even waste the effort on it when they have the J-10?

[Gordon]

Looks like bits and pieces of an F-5E, early F-16, with a dash of MiG 29 tail
tossed in. I give it a 3.7. on the "How many seconds would it last against an
F-15" scale.

v/r
Gordon
PS, it also has the RCS of a Junkers Ju 52. Stealthy. Not.

[Bill Silvey]

"Gordon" > wrote in message

> Looks like bits and pieces of an F-5E, early F-16, with a dash of MiG
> 29 tail tossed in. I give it a 3.7. on the "How many seconds would
> it last against an F-15" scale.

....and it only took 'em what, fifteen years and how many hundreds of
millions in cash to develop?

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[Gordon]

>
>And the difference between them (starting their own aerospace industry) and
>any UK/EU/US project (in well established aerospace industries) is...?

Friend, just what makes you think they are *starting* an aerospace industry?
These guys have been building jet fighters for decades.

Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR Aircrew

"Got anything on your radar, SENSO?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >And the difference between them (starting their own aerospace industry)
and
> >any UK/EU/US project (in well established aerospace industries) is...?
>
> Friend, just what makes you think they are *starting* an aerospace
industry?
> These guys have been building jet fighters for decades.

Even MD-80s.

[Nick Pedley]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >And the difference between them (starting their own aerospace industry)
and
> >any UK/EU/US project (in well established aerospace industries) is...?
>
> Friend, just what makes you think they are *starting* an aerospace
industry?
> These guys have been building jet fighters for decades.
>
How many of their own designs have they built? Not just building and
modifying other peoples designs but actually planning, building and flying
their own? And how long have they been doing that for?
By comparison, I reckon China is a newcomer. As for their delays/timing,
they're moving at roughly the same pace as the rest of us.

Nick

[patrick mitchel]

Nick Pedley > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gordon" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
> > >And the difference between them (starting their own aerospace industry)
> and
> > >any UK/EU/US project (in well established aerospace industries) is...?
> >
> > Friend, just what makes you think they are *starting* an aerospace
> industry?
> > These guys have been building jet fighters for decades.
> >
> How many of their own designs have they built? Not just building and
> modifying other peoples designs but actually planning, building and flying
> their own? And how long have they been doing that for?
> By comparison, I reckon China is a newcomer. As for their delays/timing,
> they're moving at roughly the same pace as the rest of us.
>
> Nick

What about the boeing 707 clone they made. Was that simply for the tech or
did they fully intend to make a copy for mass production. Pat

[Kevin Brooks]

Scott Ferrin > wrote in message >...
> On 26 Aug 2003 21:09:10 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>
> (Kevin Brooks) wrote in message >...
> >> "TJ" > wrote in message >...
> >> > The following links show the first flight of the FC-1 yesterday. The first
> >> > export customer will be Pakistan.
> >> >
> >> > http://tiexue.top81.com.cn/dspic/files/115.JPG
> >> >
> >> > http://www.hongkongads.com/lb5000/non-cgi/usr/14/14_166_9.jpg
> >> >
> >> > http://www.hongkongads.com/lb5000/non-cgi/usr/14/14_166_10.jpg
> >> >
> >> > TJ
> >>
> >> Gee, not only does it bear some resemblance to the Indian LCA, but it
> >> is apparently about as far behind the original development schedule as
> >> that dinosaur.
> >>
> >> Brooks
> >
> >Here's some more news:
> >
> >http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/fighter/fc1.asp
> >
> >Rob
>
>
>
> Why would they even waste the effort on it when they have the J-10?

Significant interest/pressure from the pakistanis, a development
partner, for one. The other factor apparently being that they see a
market for a Mig-21 replacement around the world (though why anyone
would want this turkey for that role is beyond me--replacing sixties
technology in 2010 with seventies technology seems a bit of a
waste...).

Brooks

[Scott Ferrin]

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:22:14 +0100, "Nick Pedley"
> wrote:

>
>"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
>> >
>> >And the difference between them (starting their own aerospace industry)
>and
>> >any UK/EU/US project (in well established aerospace industries) is...?
>>
>> Friend, just what makes you think they are *starting* an aerospace
>industry?
>> These guys have been building jet fighters for decades.
>>
>How many of their own designs have they built? Not just building and
>modifying other peoples designs but actually planning, building and flying
>their own? And how long have they been doing that for?
>By comparison, I reckon China is a newcomer. As for their delays/timing,
>they're moving at roughly the same pace as the rest of us.
>
>Nick
>


They have the advantage of not having to start from scratch. All the
basic research has been done. Give Burt Rutan a few billion and see
what he could come up with and he's NEVER built a fighter.

[Charles Talleyrand]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> Significant interest/pressure from the pakistanis, a development
> partner, for one. The other factor apparently being that they see a
> market for a Mig-21 replacement around the world (though why anyone
> would want this turkey for that role is beyond me--replacing sixties
> technology in 2010 with seventies technology seems a bit of a
> waste...).

I believe there are nation to which neither Russia nor the Western Powers
will sell jet fighters. Pakistan seems one example, Burma and Zimbabwe
two others. China might get something of a captive market.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Charles Talleyrand" > wrote in message >...
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > Significant interest/pressure from the pakistanis, a development
> > partner, for one. The other factor apparently being that they see a
> > market for a Mig-21 replacement around the world (though why anyone
> > would want this turkey for that role is beyond me--replacing sixties
> > technology in 2010 with seventies technology seems a bit of a
> > waste...).
>
> I believe there are nation to which neither Russia nor the Western Powers
> will sell jet fighters. Pakistan seems one example, Burma and Zimbabwe
> two others. China might get something of a captive market.

Maybe. But if the PRC wants to do other than *donate* them, then Burma
(or whatever they heck they call it now) and Zimbabwe are not going to
be of much value to them.

Brooks