tie down plates

[David Lesher]

I know I've read of the 3-spike plates used for tiedowns @ Oshkosh.
Does someone sell same? A friend is putting up a tent/outbuilding,
and screwing those augers into his solid clay is No Phun [tm].
--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[Drew Dalgleish]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:33:06 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
> wrote:

>
>
>I know I've read of the 3-spike plates used for tiedowns @ Oshkosh.
>Does someone sell same? A friend is putting up a tent/outbuilding,
>and screwing those augers into his solid clay is No Phun [tm].
>--

Nutin holds like those augers. Get a longer lever and take a beer
break halfway through if you need to. For the cost of one of those
fancy 3 spike thingys he can buy all the augers he needs at the local
farm store.

[Jon Woellhaf]

Is this what you're looking for?

http://www.theclaw.com/

They had booths in at least two different exhibit halls at this years
Airventure.


"David Lesher" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I know I've read of the 3-spike plates used for tiedowns @ Oshkosh.
> Does someone sell same? A friend is putting up a tent/outbuilding,
> and screwing those augers into his solid clay is No Phun [tm].
> --
> A host is a host from coast to
> & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
> Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
> is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[Dave S]

If its not The Claw, there is a homebrew tie down kit plans available
from EAA on their airventure page, which involves 3 long spikes through
a central hub, at angles to each other. not as wide as the Claw.

Both this and the claw are good at what they do.

Dave

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
> Is this what you're looking for?
>
> http://www.theclaw.com/
>
> They had booths in at least two different exhibit halls at this years
> Airventure.
>
>
> "David Lesher" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>I know I've read of the 3-spike plates used for tiedowns @ Oshkosh.
>>Does someone sell same? A friend is putting up a tent/outbuilding,
>>and screwing those augers into his solid clay is No Phun [tm].
>>--
>>A host is a host from coast to
>>& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
>>Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
>>is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
>
>
>

[Newps]

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:33:06 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
> > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I know I've read of the 3-spike plates used for tiedowns @ Oshkosh.
>>Does someone sell same? A friend is putting up a tent/outbuilding,
>>and screwing those augers into his solid clay is No Phun [tm].
>>--
>
>
> Nutin holds like those augers. Get a longer lever and take a beer
> break halfway through if you need to. For the cost of one of those
> fancy 3 spike thingys he can buy all the augers he needs at the local
> farm store.

The augers are worthless in hard ground. Here in the west they wouldn't
go an inch into the ground. The Claw is the best I've found.

[Vaughn Simon]

"Drew Dalgleish" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:33:06 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
> > wrote:
>
> Nutin holds like those augers. Get a longer lever and take a beer
> break halfway through if you need to. For the cost of one of those
> fancy 3 spike thingys he can buy all the augers he needs at the local
> farm store.

For permanent tiedowns, I would try to go with augers. The best way to
screw them down is with a long lever and a friend with a sledgehammer. Screw
the thing down until it gets tight (that might be very quick) and have the
friend tap the auger with the sledge as you turn it. I usually expect a quarter
turn from each tap.

I usually dig a posthole about 1/2 depth, insert the auger, and replace the
dirt. That gives you a good start while still allowing the auger to dig down
into undisturbed dirt. You can also posthole down full depth, and carefully
compact the dirt on top of the auger, but you will not have full hold-down
strength available until the dirt settles on its own, a matter of weeks or
months.

Vaughn

[Jay Honeck]

> The augers are worthless in hard ground. Here in the west they wouldn't
> go an inch into the ground. The Claw is the best I've found.

Agreed. But their price is absurd.

I built my own version for about $20, including the hammer and
carrying sack.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[David Lesher]

Jay Honeck > writes:

>> The augers are worthless in hard ground. Here in the west they wouldn't
>> go an inch into the ground. The Claw is the best I've found.

>Agreed. But their price is absurd.

>I built my own version for about $20, including the hammer and
>carrying sack.


Thanks to all.

We've considered the auger approach; but in this clay, we must
both twist with a 3' piece of rebar AND bang on the top
to encourage it into the good earth. This is called "work"...

This might be doable, but we already assembled the 12'*6' frame for the
structure; and that means: turn 180, slide rebar to clear leg, bang, turn
180.. This is a PITA.

We've considered renting the smallest gas-driven post hole digger; and
adapting its output shaft to drive the augers, but.....

[I'd suggested borrowing the well-drilling rig currently in his back yard
while the crew was home, but he decided they might object, and it would
not fit under the trees easily...]

The Claw & others look to be about 80% suited to what we want. Their
existence, as well as the EAA page [which I can't find but he could
earlier...] helped convince him that angled straight spikes could do
the job. [He has long experience flying around in various aircraft,
from Helio Super Couriers & Hueys to Herc's; often with many bullet
holes. Some of these he exited from when it was on the ground, others at
high altitudes w/ slow rides down...]

We now plan to put down pressure-treated 2*4's 12' long; drilled at
~30 degree angles to the vertical. We'll use ~30' lengths of
rebar with a welded nut & a fender washer or two, and hammer them into
the clay. Then we'll lag-screw the structure legs to the 2x4's.



--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[karl gruber[_1_]]

Skychick doesn't like them:
http://www.skychickadventures.com/Display-articles.asp?ID=12


"Curator" N185KG


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> The augers are worthless in hard ground. Here in the west they wouldn't
>> go an inch into the ground. The Claw is the best I've found.
>
> Agreed. But their price is absurd.
>
> I built my own version for about $20, including the hammer and
> carrying sack.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Dave[_5_]]

> Nutin holds like those augers. Get a longer lever and take a beer
> break halfway through if you need to. For the cost of one of those
> fancy 3 spike thingys he can buy all the augers he needs at the >local farm store.


Power Auger Drivers (both electric and gasoline powered) are
available. No doubt some equipment rental shops have them.

David Johnson

[Dave[_5_]]

Google produced this info which may be useful:

http://www.jimssupply.com/anchors.htm

[Blueskies]

"David Lesher" > wrote in message ...
>
> We now plan to put down pressure-treated 2*4's 12' long; drilled at
> ~30 degree angles to the vertical. We'll use ~30' lengths of
> rebar with a welded nut & a fender washer or two, and hammer them into
> the clay. Then we'll lag-screw the structure legs to the 2x4's.
>


30'...or 30"

[David Lesher]

"Blueskies" > writes:


>"David Lesher" > wrote in message ...
>>
>> We now plan to put down pressure-treated 2*4's 12' long; drilled at
>> ~30 degree angles to the vertical. We'll use ~30' lengths of
>> rebar with a welded nut & a fender washer or two, and hammer them into
>> the clay. Then we'll lag-screw the structure legs to the 2x4's.
>>


>30'...or 30"


Yea, 30 inch long rebars, spread along two twelve foot long 2x4's...

Unless it rains a LOT in the meantime, it will be hard enough to get
those in...

--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433