Thanks Ed Rasimus

[Frank Hitlaw]

Ed;

I finally found your book,I stumbled onto a Borders at Sunset and
Vine in Hollywood. Lucky for me it was the day the place opened for
business and they had your book on the shelf. Great stuff,I am
awaiting and hoping there will be a chapter two about the F4 days.
Regards,
Frank M.Hitlaw;

[Ed Rasimus]

On 19 Nov 2003 07:11:44 -0800, (Frank Hitlaw)
wrote:

>Ed;
>
> I finally found your book,I stumbled onto a Borders at Sunset and
>Vine in Hollywood. Lucky for me it was the day the place opened for
>business and they had your book on the shelf. Great stuff,I am
>awaiting and hoping there will be a chapter two about the F4 days.
> Regards,
> Frank M.Hitlaw;

Nice to know that Borders had it in stock. Hope they back-filled!

The F-4 story is currently in production and under contract with
Smithsonian. We're presently programmed for the Fall '04 catalog,
which means availability around Sept. of next year.

Shouldn't have been "hard to find"--Amazon has always listed it.

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Thanks Ed Rasimus
>From: Ed Rasimus
>Date: 11/19/03 1:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <ujonrvc5j79q7v9f1ombtrga8mi8ijd

> I finally found your book,I stumbled onto a Borders at Sunset and
>>Vine in Hollywood. Lucky for me it was the day the place opened for
>>business and they had your book on the shelf. Great stuff,I am
>>awaiting and hoping there will be a chapter two about the F4 da

>Nice to know that Borders had it in stock. Hope they back-filled!

My Borders still doesn't have it in stock neither does the local Barnes &
Noble. Oh well.. I am a patient man. (sigh)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Tarver Engineering]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Thanks Ed Rasimus
> >From: Ed Rasimus
> >Date: 11/19/03 1:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <ujonrvc5j79q7v9f1ombtrga8mi8ijd
>
> > I finally found your book,I stumbled onto a Borders at Sunset and
> >>Vine in Hollywood. Lucky for me it was the day the place opened for
> >>business and they had your book on the shelf. Great stuff,I am
> >>awaiting and hoping there will be a chapter two about the F4 da
>
> >Nice to know that Borders had it in stock. Hope they back-filled!
>
> My Borders still doesn't have it in stock neither does the local Barnes &
> Noble. Oh well.. I am a patient man. (sigh)

You mean Ed hasn't sent you a signed copy, Art?

[Ed Rasimus]

On 19 Nov 2003 22:00:06 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Thanks Ed Rasimus
>>From: Ed Rasimus
>>Date: 11/19/03 1:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <ujonrvc5j79q7v9f1ombtrga8mi8ijd

>>Nice to know that Borders had it in stock. Hope they back-filled!
>
>My Borders still doesn't have it in stock neither does the local Barnes &
>Noble. Oh well.. I am a patient man. (sigh)
>
>Arthur Kramer

It's been available online at Amazon since well before publication in
Feb. Also available online at Borders and B&N. Ask, demand, pound on
the counter. Create a ground swell of public outcry. Go limp and get
arrested, then talk to reporters for the Las Vegas Sun, complaining
that they denied you a true account of a whimpering, scared spit-less
Lt, flying airplanes in a nasty, unappreciated war. Give an interview
to Sixty Minutes. Make an appearance on O'Reilly. Demand your right to
read the book!

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Thanks Ed Rasimus
>From: Ed Rasimus
>Date: 11/19/03 3:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 19 Nov 2003 22:00:06 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: Thanks Ed Rasimus
>>>From: Ed Rasimus
>>>Date: 11/19/03 1:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <ujonrvc5j79q7v9f1ombtrga8mi8ijd
>
>>>Nice to know that Borders had it in stock. Hope they back-filled!
>>
>>My Borders still doesn't have it in stock neither does the local Barnes &
>>Noble. Oh well.. I am a patient man. (sigh)
>>
>>Arthur Kramer
>
>It's been available online at Amazon since well before publication in
>Feb. Also available online at Borders and B&N. Ask, demand, pound on
>the counter. Create a ground swell of public outcry. Go limp and get
>arrested, then talk to reporters for the Las Vegas Sun, complaining
>that they denied you a true account of a whimpering, scared spit-less
>Lt, flying airplanes in a nasty, unappreciated war. Give an interview
>to Sixty Minutes. Make an appearance on O'Reilly. Demand your right to
>read the book!
>


Dan Rather here I come. (ROFL)



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Paul F Austin]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On 19 Nov 2003 22:00:06 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
> >>Subject: Re: Thanks Ed Rasimus
> >>From: Ed Rasimus
> >>Date: 11/19/03 1:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>Message-id: <ujonrvc5j79q7v9f1ombtrga8mi8ijd
>
> >>Nice to know that Borders had it in stock. Hope they back-filled!
> >
> >My Borders still doesn't have it in stock neither does the local Barnes &
> >Noble. Oh well.. I am a patient man. (sigh)
> >
> >Arthur Kramer
>
> It's been available online at Amazon since well before publication in
> Feb. Also available online at Borders and B&N. Ask, demand, pound on
> the counter. Create a ground swell of public outcry. Go limp and get
> arrested, then talk to reporters for the Las Vegas Sun, complaining
> that they denied you a true account of a whimpering, scared spit-less
> Lt, flying airplanes in a nasty, unappreciated war. Give an interview
> to Sixty Minutes. Make an appearance on O'Reilly. Demand your right to
> read the book!

Naah, I just sent Amazon a credit card number. I did a race between Barnes
and Noble's ability to get a normally stocked book (Wings of Victory)
against Amazon delivering Sword and Shield. Amazon won in a walk.

Ed, I enjoyed your book a lot (and am glad I was a submariner during the
late unpleasantness). One thing struck me: many of your early missions were
flown with 2x3000lb bombs. Why was that? That loadout looks 'way suboptimal
for the kinds of targets you were pasting.

[dave999]

Speaking of pilot books, Brian Shul had a booth at the Nellis show this
last week and was selling special editions of his book for $425 dollars.
I didn't have the heart to tell him I read it for free at the library :^p

Ed Rasimus wrote:

>On 19 Nov 2003 22:00:06 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Subject: Re: Thanks Ed Rasimus
>>>From: Ed Rasimus
>>>Date: 11/19/03 1:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <ujonrvc5j79q7v9f1ombtrga8mi8ijd
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>Nice to know that Borders had it in stock. Hope they back-filled!
>>>
>>>
>>My Borders still doesn't have it in stock neither does the local Barnes &
>>Noble. Oh well.. I am a patient man. (sigh)
>>
>>Arthur Kramer
>>
>>
>
>It's been available online at Amazon since well before publication in
>Feb. Also available online at Borders and B&N. Ask, demand, pound on
>the counter. Create a ground swell of public outcry. Go limp and get
>arrested, then talk to reporters for the Las Vegas Sun, complaining
>that they denied you a true account of a whimpering, scared spit-less
>Lt, flying airplanes in a nasty, unappreciated war. Give an interview
>to Sixty Minutes. Make an appearance on O'Reilly. Demand your right to
>read the book!
>
>
>

--


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[Cub Driver]

>Shouldn't have been "hard to find"--Amazon has always listed it.

Amazon says immediate shipping. It's twenty bucks, which means that
even if you pay shipping you get it cheaper than retail. Better yet,
buy one of my books too and you qualify for free shipping :)

Here's the link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1588341038/ref=nosim/annals

Or read more at www.warbirdforum.com/thunder.htm


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put CUB in subject line)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Frank Hitlaw]

Ed Rasimus > wrote in message >...
> On 19 Nov 2003 07:11:44 -0800, (Frank Hitlaw)
> wrote:
>
> >Ed;
> >
> > I finally found your book,I stumbled onto a Borders at Sunset and
> >Vine in Hollywood. Lucky for me it was the day the place opened for
> >business and they had your book on the shelf. Great stuff,I am
> >awaiting and hoping there will be a chapter two about the F4 days.
> > Regards,
> > Frank M.Hitlaw;
>
> Nice to know that Borders had it in stock. Hope they back-filled!
>
> The F-4 story is currently in production and under contract with
> Smithsonian. We're presently programmed for the Fall '04 catalog,
> which means availability around Sept. of next year>
> Shouldn't have been "hard to find"--Amazon has always listed it.
================================================== ==============================

Ed;

I spent most of the last year in Indonesia. If I would have done the
Amazon thing postage would have cost about three times the book's
price.Plus it is no sure thing that the mail would be delivered,it has
a way of disappearing over there.
Thanks,Frank;

[Ed Rasimus]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:29:05 -0500, "Paul F Austin"
> wrote:

>
>Ed, I enjoyed your book a lot (and am glad I was a submariner during the
>late unpleasantness). One thing struck me: many of your early missions were
>flown with 2x3000lb bombs. Why was that? That loadout looks 'way suboptimal
>for the kinds of targets you were pasting.
>

Who am I to contradict Robert Strange McNamara regarding a shortage of
suitable ordinance during 1966?

[Ed Rasimus]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:46:16 -0800, dave999 > wrote:

>Speaking of pilot books, Brian Shul had a booth at the Nellis show this
>last week and was selling special editions of his book for $425 dollars.
>I didn't have the heart to tell him I read it for free at the library :^p
>

Brian has always been in his own separate world. I worked with him for
a couple of years at Holloman in the AT-38 Fighter Lead-In program.
This was before his "sled" years. Lots of health issues were going on
regarding the burns and scarring. Good guy, but a seagull when it came
to flying. Had to throw rocks at him to get him airborne.

[MLenoch]

Ed wrote:>Lots of health issues were going on
>regarding the burns and scarring

Where did he get the burns? I meant to ask him directly, but we were crowded
with people. I met him at a nearby airshow selling books. The books were
high on the dollar also. He is a 'motivational' speaker, he said. Nice guy to
talk to, tough.
Thx
VL

[CC]

I just finished it....great read....I have given it to my grandson so he can
have a little better understanding of why his great grandfather was like he
was!?....he used to ask me why great grandpa's business card showed the
mustang upside down!....and why I wear his wings upside down on my
vest....anyone can fly right side up....cc

--
No good deed goes unpunished!

[Ed Rasimus]

On 20 Nov 2003 15:16:32 GMT, (MLenoch) wrote:

>Ed wrote:>Lots of health issues were going on
>>regarding the burns and scarring
>
>Where did he get the burns? I meant to ask him directly, but we were crowded
>with people. I met him at a nearby airshow selling books. The books were
>high on the dollar also. He is a 'motivational' speaker, he said. Nice guy to
>talk to, tough.
>Thx
>VL

Brian was burned in a T-28 accident in SEA. He almost didn't survive.

He is a nice guy. And he is, quite obviously, quite resilient.

[Dudley Henriques]

"CC" > wrote in message
t...
> I just finished it....great read....I have given it to my grandson so he
can
> have a little better understanding of why his great grandfather was like
he
> was!?....he used to ask me why great grandpa's business card showed the
> mustang upside down!....and why I wear his wings upside down on my
> vest....anyone can fly right side up....cc

Life is indeed strange sometimes.
I was a demonstration pilot flying a P51D back in the sixties. Our
"official" "business" cards as well as our letterheads and envelopes also
showed an inverted P51.......and here all these years we thought we had done
something original :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[Paul F Austin]

"Ed Rasimus" wrote
> "Paul F Austin" wrote:
>
> >
> >Ed, I enjoyed your book a lot (and am glad I was a submariner during the
> >late unpleasantness). One thing struck me: many of your early missions
were
> >flown with 2x3000lb bombs. Why was that? That loadout looks 'way
suboptimal
> >for the kinds of targets you were pasting.
> >
>
> Who am I to contradict Robert Strange McNamara regarding a shortage of
> suitable ordinance during 1966?

Anyone not familiar with how Strange McNamara was should read "Dereliction
of Duty" by HR McMaster.

[Vicente Vazquez]

"Cub Driver" > escreveu na mensagem
...
> Amazon says immediate shipping. It's twenty bucks, which means that
> even if you pay shipping you get it cheaper than retail.

As usual, shipping to Brasil costs almost as much (or more) as the book
itself. Total cost of $56.55 with a 2-6 business days delivery, US$37.55
with a 7-11 business days delivery. Or only US$32.55 if you can wait a month
or so... :-) And with an exchange rate of almost R$3,00 to the dollar...
Oh, man... How I miss the "not so long ago time" when the exchange rate was
of about R$1,20 x 1 and I bought books from Amazon every month...

[Mike Marron]

>"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
>>"CC" > wrote:

>>I just finished it....great read....I have given it to my grandson
so he
>>can have a little better understanding of why his great grandfather
was like
>>he was!?....he used to ask me why great grandpa's business card
showed the
>>mustang upside down!....and why I wear his wings upside down on my
>>vest....anyone can fly right side up....cc

In Chapter 16 of his most excellent book, Ed describes an Oct. 5, 1966
rescue mission over North Vietnam for which Dad ("Sandy 51" in the
book)
was awarded a DFC for the rescue of the crew of a downed F-4. With
regards
to business cards, on the front side of Dad's business card from 'Nam
there
is an orange and white parachute depicted with the following words:

---------------------------------------
TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED?
NEED A PICK-ME-UP?

Contact: CROWN, SANDY, JOLLY GREEN

243.0 Mcs
---------------------------------------

....And on the back side of the card it reads thusly:


----------------------------------------
CONFUSED? FOLLOW THESE STEPS

1. STAY WITH CHUTE/AIRCRAFT.
2. CONSERVE FLARES AND RADIO.
3. ADVISE OTHERS OF YOUR POSITION AND
CONDITION.
4. STAY CALM-OTHERS HAVE BEEN RESCUED UNDER
WORSE CONDITIONS THAN YOURS.
5. THE BEARER OF THIS CARD, UPON BEING
SUITABLY RESCUED, AGREES TO PROVIDE FREE
CHEER AT THE NEAREST BAR FOR THOSE MAKING
SAID RESCUE POSSIBLE.
------------------------------------------


>Life is indeed strange sometimes.
>I was a demonstration pilot flying a P51D back in the sixties.

I know that you couldn't care less Dud, but while you were having a
good ol' time flying your P-51, posing for photographs and signing
autographs for throngs of adoring fans, back in the sixties Dad was
heading off to 'Nam in a chartered DC-8 waving goodbye to his pregnant
wife and three boys while the entire family was fighting back tears
and wondering if we'll ever see each other again.

>Our "official" "business" cards as well as our letterheads and
envelopes
>also showed an inverted P51.......and here all these years we thought
we
>had done something original :-)
>Dudley Henriques
>International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
>For personal email, please replace
>the z's with e's.
>dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[MLenoch]

>(Mike Marron)

Someone's off their medications again.

[Dudley Henriques]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
om...
> >"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:

> >Life is indeed strange sometimes.
> >I was a demonstration pilot flying a P51D back in the sixties.
>
> I know that you couldn't care less Dud, but while you were having a
> good ol' time flying your P-51, posing for photographs and signing
> autographs for throngs of adoring fans, back in the sixties Dad was
> heading off to 'Nam in a chartered DC-8 waving goodbye to his pregnant
> wife and three boys while the entire family was fighting back tears
> and wondering if we'll ever see each other again.

I don't know what the hell is psychologically wrong with you Marron, but
this is a totally ignorant, unwarranted and unnecessary post that goes so
far beyond the limits of normality that I just have to respond to it.
How dare you assume that I or anyone else for that matter wouldn't care
about someone leaving their family and going to war.
I have spent my entire life devoted to making the airplanes our pilots take
to war strong enough and good enough to bring them back to the families they
left at home, on several occasions, at the risk of my life!
It has also been my unfortunate duty on more than one occasion to be called
in by these families to speak at the funerals of several of these pilots;
close, close, personal friends. I don't need this crap from you. Nor does
anyone else on this Newsgroup.
I would STRONGLY suggest to you Marron, that although you have great cause
to be proud of your father for the work he did in SEA, that you refrain from
EVER AGAIN using someone the way you have used me in this post to make a
statement about him. There's absolutely no reason for this behavior, nor is
there ANY excuse for you to use me or anyone else in a negative manner like
this as a segway into a statement about your father.
I don't know what the F**k you think I did all my life, but I'll have you
know that flying demonstrations in the 51 was a HOBBY for me, NOT a
vocation! My WORK during my tenure in aviation was directly related to
design and performance of the airplanes that people like your father took to
war. I would even go so far as to tell you that my work in this field might
very well have been responsible on any given occasion for bringing him back!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[Mike Marron]

>"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
>>"Mike Marron" > wrote:

>I know that you couldn't care less Dud, but while you were having a
>good ol' time flying your P-51, posing for photographs and signing
>autographs for throngs of adoring fans, back in the sixties Dad was
>heading off to 'Nam in a chartered DC-8 waving goodbye to his
pregnant
>wife and three boys while the entire family was fighting back tears
>and wondering if we'll ever see each other again.

>I don't know what the hell is psychologically wrong with you Marron,

On this I actually agree with you, Henriques, nor do I know what's
psychologically wrong with YOU.

>but this is a totally ignorant, unwarranted and unnecessary post
>that goes so far beyond the limits of normality that I just have to
>respond to it. How dare you assume that I or anyone else for that
matter >wouldn't care about someone leaving their family and going to
war.

I specifically said YOU, not anyone else, couldn't care less. Go back
and
re-read some of the incredibly cruel comments and hot-headed
over-reactions
and flames (exactly like you're doing now) of yours that you initiated
against me. You throw the first punch, then have a tizzy fit like
you're
having now when I punch back. Also go back and re-read your absurd
question asking what my ol' man's combat in 'Nam had to do with me.

>I have spent my entire life devoted to making the airplanes our
pilots take
>to war strong enough and good enough to bring them back to the
families they
>left at home, on several occasions, at the risk of my life!
>It has also been my unfortunate duty on more than one occasion to be
called
>in by these families to speak at the funerals of several of these
pilots;
>close, close, personal friends.

Oh get off your holier than thou high horse. Just a few days ago you
whooped
it up like some kind of yayhoo and made disparaging, tasteless, and
incredibly meanspirited jokes about not caring whether or not I was
DEAD
for Chrissakes! You conveniently gloss over anything constructive I
post
and wait for the first opportunity to pounce. You're a quintessential
windsock, Henriques. You look around and see which way the wind is
blowing
then and then you pile-on. You defend Kramer whom we all know was
posting
under his "Autocollimator" sock puppet while he was anonymously
flaming
not only me but others as well (not to mention having imaginary
conversations with himself). Tell me Henriques, according to that high
and mighty moral
calculus of yours, does your definition of character and integrity
include making jokes about people's deaths or defending the
"Autocollimators" of the world?

>I don't need this crap from you.

Back 'atcha, pal!

>Nor does anyone else on this Newsgroup.

There ya' go again trying to speak for everyone. I know there's safety
in
numbers but it's YOU, not anyone else on the NG whom I am addressing.

>I would STRONGLY suggest to you Marron, that although you have great
cause
>to be proud of your father for the work he did in SEA, that you
refrain from
>EVER AGAIN using someone the way you have used me in this post to
make a
>statement about him.

More unwanted advice. Listen HENRIQUES, I meant every_single_word in
this
post. By your own actions, YOU have given me ample reason to believe
that
you simply couldn't give a rat's ass about my Father, or me, or my
family.

>There's absolutely no reason for this behavior,

Pot kettle black.

>nor is there ANY excuse for you to use me or anyone else in a
negative
>manner like this as a segway into a statement about your father.

I've told you this before HENIRIQUES but it kinda got lost in all your
flaming, posturing, chest-thumping and flyboy-ego-run-amuck syndrome.
When
a fighter pilot goes off to war, he's not the only one whose forced
to make sacrifices. Those of us left behind on the homefront sacrifice
too.
To be sure, we've also "been there done that" and only those whom have
endured the "battles" on the homefront knows what I'm talking about.
By
your own thoughtless and cruel comments you evidently don't have the
first
clue what I'm talking about. I have some poignant letters of Dad's
sent
to my Mother scanned on my hard drive that I will be more than happy
to
enlighten you, if you're interested (which I know you aren't based on
what you've said in the past). Instead of spewing forth unsolicited
advice
and talking about how great YOU are/were, perhaps if you would listen
for a blessed change you might realize that you don't know 1/1000's as
much about
me or other military families as you THINK you do.

>I don't know what the F**k you think I did all my life, but I'll have
you
>know that flying demonstrations in the 51 was a HOBBY for me, NOT a
>vocation! My WORK during my tenure in aviation was directly related
to
>design and performance of the airplanes that people like your father
took to
>war. I would even go so far as to tell you that my work in this field
might
>very well have been responsible on any given occasion for bringing
him back!

Nah. Sorry Dud, but I knew my Dad very well and it was a combination
of
things that brought him back but I assure you that YOU had absolutely
NOTHING to do with bringing him back. In fact, had you actually gone
over
to 'Nam I suspect he would be the one responsible for bringing YOU
back!

[MLenoch]

Mike:
Did your Dad ever put you OVER his knee? Maybe that's the problem.
VL

[[email protected]]

(MLenoch) wrote:

>Mike:
>Did your Dad ever put you OVER his knee? Maybe that's the problem.
>VL

Looks to me like two of the biggest blowhards that I've seen
colliding in midair...perhaps they'll _both_ crash and burn?

--

-Gord.

[MLenoch]

>.perhaps they'll _both_ crash and burn?
>

Gord:
No they won't. They're flying on Helium.
VL

[[email protected]]

(MLenoch) wrote:

>>.perhaps they'll _both_ crash and burn?
>>
>
>Gord:
>No they won't. They're flying on Helium.
>VL

....and no doubt accompanied by lots of methane gas...



-Gord.

"You are completely focused on RPM as the
single factor producing rotational velocity"
-Guess who?