Annual overdue by a few days [Archive]

Travis Marlatte

May 4th 08, 04:52 PM

One could, if one were daring, just do the flight.

Otherwise, contact the local FSDO to get a ferry permit.

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
> the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In
> other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May. What
> do I need to do to get permission and how long can this extension be.
> Would this be different than a "Ferry Flight" limited to 10hrs.
> Or......Thanks
>
> Larry

Bob Noel

May 4th 08, 04:54 PM

In article >,
Larry > wrote:

> Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
> the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In
> other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May. What
> do I need to do to get permission and how long can this extension be.
> Would this be different than a "Ferry Flight" limited to 10hrs.
> Or......Thanks
>
> Larry

I'm just an owner, but I'm not aware of any extension. It is my understanding
that If it's out of annual, then you need a ferry permit.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

B A R R Y

May 4th 08, 04:57 PM

On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
wrote:

>Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
>the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date?

Nope.

> In other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May. What
>do I need to do to get permission

A ferry permit, which shouldn't be difficult to get if the plane was
fully airworthy before it went out of annual. Contact your local
FSDO, or ask your mechanic if he knows a specific contact at the FSDO
to contact.

I guy who parks near me did this just last month, and it wasn't as big
a deal as I would have thought.

Peter Clark

May 4th 08, 05:22 PM

On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
wrote:

>Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
>the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In
>other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May. What
>do I need to do to get permission and how long can this extension be.
>Would this be different than a "Ferry Flight" limited to 10hrs.
>Or......Thanks

Get your A&P to call the FSDO and get a ferry permit. As soon as the
annual expired it's no longer legal to reposition to the other
airport. The fly-over-to-reposition provisions of the 100hr
inspection don't apply to annual inspections.

The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
the FSDO is near his desk.

Robert M. Gary

May 4th 08, 06:51 PM

On May 4, 9:22*am, Peter Clark
> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
> wrote:
>

> The ferry permit is basically a formality. *The A&P gets one, signs
> off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
> the aircraft. *Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
> the FSDO is near his desk.

It also depends on the FSDO. Some FDSO's require basically a 100 hr
inspection before issuing the permit.

-Robert

John Kunkel

May 4th 08, 07:55 PM

"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
> the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In
> other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May.

I would think that any savvy AI would have waited and signed the annual off
on 5/1 which gives the annual a 13 month duration. (Baker's dozen)

Mike Adams[_1_]

May 4th 08, 08:41 PM

Peter Clark > wrote in
:

> Get your A&P to call the FSDO and get a ferry permit.

You might also want to check your insurance to see if it's valid under a
ferry permit operation.

Mike

John[_9_]

May 5th 08, 01:05 PM

On May 4, 2:55*pm, "John Kunkel" > wrote:
> "Larry" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
> > the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In
> > other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May.
>
> I would think that any savvy AI would have waited and signed the annual off
> on 5/1 which gives the annual a 13 month duration. (Baker's dozen)

I would normally try to do that but sometimes the owner needs to be
legal on the first flight of his annual cycle as well as the last.
Scheduling and completion sometimes just don't work out and you end up
with a sign off on or near the last day of a month.

As for a ferry permit. The most important thing for the mechanic
arranging it is to know that any Airworthiness Directive that is
applicable is complied with prior to the ferry flight. Not usually a
big deal considering the typical low utilization of most aircraft and
a majority of ADs being based on hours but many ADs are based on
calendar time as well and that could bite if overlooked. You can fly
on a ferry permit if the inspection is overdue but you cannot normally
fly with an AD compliance overdue unless it is specifically allowed in
the AD and then the Ferry Permit has to allow for the that. So if you
apply for a ferry permit for the overdue annual and don't mention the
overdue AD then the pilot is definitely in violation.

John Dupre'

[email protected]

May 5th 08, 03:00 PM

On May 4, 9:48 am, Larry > wrote:
> Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
> the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In
> other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May. What
> do I need to do to get permission and how long can this extension be.
> Would this be different than a "Ferry Flight" limited to 10hrs.
> Or......Thanks
>
> Larry

For us Canadians, CAR 615.86 says this:

"(a) As applicable to the type of aircraft, at intervals not to expire
later than the last day of the 12th month, following the preceding
inspection, Part I and Part II of the Maintenance Schedule detailed in
Appendix B of these standards are approved by the Minister for use on
other than large aircraft, turbine-powered pressurized aeroplanes,
airships, any aeroplane or helicopter operated by a flight training
unit under CAR 406, or any aircraft operated by air operators under
CAR Part VII."

So, If I read that right, the annual for a privately-
registered aircraft must take place by the last day of the 12th month
following the last inspection. Therefore, an annual that last occurred
on, say, 12th May '07 must next be done by 31 May '08. Right?
Maybe the FARs have something similar.

Dan

Stealth Pilot[_2_]

May 5th 08, 03:06 PM

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
>wrote:
>

>
>The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
>off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
>the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
>the FSDO is near his desk.

actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
doesnt come into it.
Stealth Pilot

Stealth Pilot[_2_]

May 5th 08, 03:09 PM

On Sun, 4 May 2008 10:52:47 -0500, "Travis Marlatte"
> wrote:

>One could, if one were daring, just do the flight.
>
>Otherwise, contact the local FSDO to get a ferry permit.

the savvy would sent the paperwork by courier over to the maintenance
people then fly over to them.
if stopped, "oh the paperwork is with the maintenance people, I'm just
flying it over there now for the annual"

bwhahahahahah
Stealth Pilot

Peter Clark

May 5th 08, 03:37 PM

On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
>>wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
>>off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
>>the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
>>the FSDO is near his desk.
>
>actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
>who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
>an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
>unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
>doesnt come into it.
>Stealth Pilot

I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.

"§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
(a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
by the Administrator, indicating—

(1) The purpose of the flight.

(2) The proposed itinerary.

(3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.

(4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
applicable airworthiness requirements.

(5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
operation of the aircraft.

(6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.

(b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."

I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.

Stealth Pilot[_2_]

May 5th 08, 03:48 PM

On Mon, 05 May 2008 10:37:35 -0400, Peter Clark
> wrote:

>On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
>>>off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
>>>the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
>>>the FSDO is near his desk.
>>
>>actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
>>who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
>>an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
>>unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
>>doesnt come into it.
>>Stealth Pilot
>
>I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.
>
>"§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
>(a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
>flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
>by the Administrator, indicating—
>
>(1) The purpose of the flight.
>
>(2) The proposed itinerary.
>
>(3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
>pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.
>
>(4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
>applicable airworthiness requirements.
>
>(5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
>operation of the aircraft.
>
>(6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
>for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.
>
>(b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
>appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."
>
>I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
>a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.

is that your reg covering ferry flights?
our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to
have)

Stealth Pilot

[email protected]

May 5th 08, 05:29 PM

On May 5, 8:48 am, Stealth Pilot >
wrote:
> On Mon, 05 May 2008 10:37:35 -0400, Peter Clark
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
> > wrote:
>
> >>>On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
> >>>wrote:
>
> >>>The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
> >>>off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
> >>>the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
> >>>the FSDO is near his desk.
>
> >>actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
> >>who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
> >>an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
> >>unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
> >>doesnt come into it.
> >>Stealth Pilot
>
> >I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.
>
> >"§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
> >(a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
> >flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
> >by the Administrator, indicating—
>
> >(1) The purpose of the flight.
>
> >(2) The proposed itinerary.
>
> >(3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
> >pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.
>
> >(4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
> >applicable airworthiness requirements.
>
> >(5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
> >operation of the aircraft.
>
> >(6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
> >for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.
>
> >(b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
> >appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."
>
> >I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
> >a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.
>
> is that your reg covering ferry flights?
> our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to
> have)
>
> Stealth Pilot

In Canada an AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer) has to get the
permit.

Dan

Peter Clark

May 5th 08, 09:05 PM

On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:48:13 +0800, Stealth Pilot
> wrote:

>
>is that your reg covering ferry flights?
>our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to
>have)

Special flight permit = ferry flight.

Newps

May 5th 08, 10:08 PM

It also depends on how far you want to ferry the plane. 50 or 100 miles
then probably no problem. No FSDO is going to give you a ferry permit
to go 1000 miles back to your home airport for an annual. They'll just
tell you to get the annual locally.

Peter Clark wrote:
> On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
> wrote:
>
>> Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
>> the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In
>> other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May. What
>> do I need to do to get permission and how long can this extension be.
>> Would this be different than a "Ferry Flight" limited to 10hrs.
>> Or......Thanks
>
> Get your A&P to call the FSDO and get a ferry permit. As soon as the
> annual expired it's no longer legal to reposition to the other
> airport. The fly-over-to-reposition provisions of the 100hr
> inspection don't apply to annual inspections.
>
> The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
> off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
> the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
> the FSDO is near his desk.

Edward A. Falk

May 6th 08, 02:00 AM

In article >,
Robert M. Gary > wrote:
>
>It also depends on the FSDO. Some FDSO's require basically a 100 hr
>inspection before issuing the permit.

The San Jose FSDO gave me a ferry permit with the proviso "All ADs complied with".

But some of the ADs required regular inspection. I pretty much had to get
the plane inspected in order to fly it to the airport to get inspected.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

Robert M. Gary

May 6th 08, 04:34 AM

On May 5, 6:00*pm, (Edward A. Falk) wrote:

> The San Jose FSDO gave me a ferry permit with the proviso "All ADs complied with".
>
> But some of the ADs required regular inspection. *I pretty much had to get
> the plane inspected in order to fly it to the airport to get inspected.

I have a Mooney which requires all flight controls and gear to be
lubed plus a gear load test by AD. At that point you might as well
just do the annual. You sure as heck don't want to open all those
panels up to do the AD and then have to open them again to do the
annual. That's about 4 hours of screw turning.

-Robert

Newps

May 6th 08, 03:19 PM

4 hours of wrench turning just to get at a part? Bwaaaaaaahhhhhhhh I
thought my 182 was bad when it took 15 minutes to get both cowl halves off.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

> I have a Mooney which requires all flight controls and gear to be
> lubed plus a gear load test by AD. At that point you might as well
> just do the annual. You sure as heck don't want to open all those
> panels up to do the AD and then have to open them again to do the
> annual. That's about 4 hours of screw turning.
>
> -Robert

rotor&wing

May 8th 08, 06:00 PM

It also depends on how far you want to ferry the plane. 50 or 100 miles
then probably no problem. No FSDO is going to give you a ferry permit
to go 1000 miles back to your home airport for an annual. They'll just
tell you to get the annual locally.

[/i][/color]

The FAA cannot dictate where you will annual an airplane. And yes, you can get a ferry permit to fly coast to coast if neccessary.

Robert M. Gary

May 9th 08, 01:10 AM

On May 6, 7:19*am, Newps > wrote:
> 4 hours of wrench turning just to get at a part? * Bwaaaaaaahhhhhhhh *I
> thought my 182 was bad when it took 15 minutes to get both cowl halves off..

Oh, I wasn't considering the cowl. It takes at least 1 hr of labor to
drop the cowl and put it back on in a Mooney. That's with a very
experienced A&P. It takes me more than an hour just to drop it.
Depending on the IA you can sometimes get away with leaving it on and
doing the muff inspection with a bunch of mirrors.

-Robert

Gig 601Xl Builder

May 9th 08, 02:10 PM

rotor&wing wrote:
> Newps;627949 Wrote:
>> It also depends on how far you want to ferry the plane. 50 or 100 miles
>>
>> then probably no problem. No FSDO is going to give you a ferry permit
>>
>> to go 1000 miles back to your home airport for an annual. They'll just
>>
>> tell you to get the annual locally.
>>
>>
>>
>
> The FAA cannot dictate where you will annual an airplane. And yes, you
> can get a ferry permit to fly coast to coast if neccessary.
>
>
>
> [/i][/color]

Sure they CAN, all they have to do is not issue the ferry permit. And
yes most FSDOs will give fairly long distance permits.

rotor&wing

May 9th 08, 09:54 PM

rotor&wing wrote:
Newps;627949 Wrote:
It also depends on how far you want to ferry the plane. 50 or 100 miles

then probably no problem. No FSDO is going to give you a ferry permit

to go 1000 miles back to your home airport for an annual. They'll just

tell you to get the annual locally.

The FAA cannot dictate where you will annual an airplane. And yes, you
can get a ferry permit to fly coast to coast if neccessary.

[/i][/color]

Sure they CAN, all they have to do is not issue the ferry permit. And
yes most FSDOs will give fairly long distance permits.

The FAA will not withhold a ferry permit "because we want to". As long as an A&P confirms AD's are complied with and signs the logbook as well as the ferry permit the FAA could care less.

Newps

May 10th 08, 03:52 AM

rotor&wing wrote:

>
>
> The FAA will not withhold a ferry permit "because we want to". As long
> as an A&P confirms AD's are complied with and signs the logbook as well
> as the ferry permit the FAA could care less.

BS. The FAA can and does withhold a ferry permit so you can get an
annual 1000 miles away. There's no reason to issue a ferry permit for
an annual that far away. Get it done closer. You have no inherent
right to have your plane annualled at a certain location. One location
is as good as the next.

rotor&wing

May 10th 08, 01:10 PM

rotor&wing wrote:

The FAA will not withhold a ferry permit "because we want to". As long
as an A&P confirms AD's are complied with and signs the logbook as well
as the ferry permit the FAA could care less.

BS. The FAA can and does withhold a ferry permit so you can get an
annual 1000 miles away. There's no reason to issue a ferry permit for
an annual that far away. Get it done closer.

LOL! After doing this for the past 35 years as an A&P/IA as well as a pilot this is a new one. Maybe you can site for me in the FAR's or the Airworthiness Inspectors Handbook the reference for your remark?

Go ahead and believe what you want, but it's simply not true.

BTW, years ago I picked up an Aztec in Arizona (out of annual) and ferried it (on a ferry permit) to Tennessee.

[/QUOTE]You have no inherent
right to have your plane annualled at a certain location. One location
is as good as the next.[/QUOTE]

You have a right to take your airplane anywhere you want. Once again, please provide the reference to back up such an inane remark.

Vaughn Simon

May 10th 08, 04:43 PM

> wrote in message
...
> So, If I read that right, the annual for a privately-
> registered aircraft must take place by the last day of the 12th month
> following the last inspection. Therefore, an annual that last occurred
> on, say, 12th May '07 must next be done by 31 May '08. Right?
> Maybe the FARs have something similar.

Most time intervals specified by the FAA work that way, they expire at the
end of the month. If you play your cars right and are systematic, you can
legally get an annual every 13 months.

Generally, you have your mechanic start your annual early and then "finish"
it (sign it off) on the first day of the month after your current annual
expires.

Vaughn

>
> Dan

Newps

May 10th 08, 06:12 PM

Vaughn Simon wrote:

>
> Generally, you have your mechanic start your annual early and then "finish"
> it (sign it off) on the first day of the month after your current annual
> expires.

Or use the 13 month loophole to rotate the annual to a spot on the
calendar that is convenient for you. I get mine to February or March
for that reason.

tom418

May 10th 08, 09:52 PM

I had to get a mechanic to inspect my Seneca prior to the issuance of a
ferry permit. In addition, the 100 hr rear seat retention mechanism AD had
to be complied with. PLUS, when I took the logbooks over to the FSDO office,
they noticed that AD on my Seneca 1's turbochargers was never signed off,
and I had to get the mechanic to attest that my plane didn't have
turbochargers (as if I didn't know :) ) The mechanic laughed and insisted
that the AD applied to the turbochargers and not the airframe. (Several FAA
approved shops still insisted that the AD didn't apply ,but nonetheless, I
got the sign-off)

In short, make it your business to get an annual done before expiration
date.
"Peter Clark" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry >
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
> >>off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
> >>the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
> >>the FSDO is near his desk.
> >
> >actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
> >who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
> >an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
> >unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
> >doesnt come into it.
> >Stealth Pilot
>
> I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.
>
> "§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
> (a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
> flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
> by the Administrator, indicating-
>
> (1) The purpose of the flight.
>
> (2) The proposed itinerary.
>
> (3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
> pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.
>
> (4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
> applicable airworthiness requirements.
>
> (5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
> operation of the aircraft.
>
> (6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
> for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.
>
> (b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
> appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."
>
> I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
> a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.

[email protected]

May 11th 08, 07:37 AM

On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:52:50 -0400, "tom418" >
wrote:

>I had to get a mechanic to inspect my Seneca prior to the issuance of a
>ferry permit. In addition, the 100 hr rear seat retention mechanism AD had
>to be complied with. PLUS, when I took the logbooks over to the FSDO office,

Why'd you do that?

>they noticed that AD on my Seneca 1's turbochargers was never signed off,
>and I had to get the mechanic to attest that my plane didn't have
>turbochargers (as if I didn't know :) ) The mechanic laughed and insisted
>that the AD applied to the turbochargers and not the airframe. (Several FAA
>approved shops still insisted that the AD didn't apply ,but nonetheless, I
>got the sign-off)

My last 5 annuals were late. I called the FSDO, they sent me the
papers, (I don't have a fax machine), My mechanic said, "looks OK,
signed it, and I flew it to the other airport for the annual. There
was no inspection of logs, or anything else by the FSDO. By the time
they received the paperwork the annual was already complete.

Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

tom418

May 11th 08, 03:41 PM

I went down to the FSDO office because they would issue the permit at no
caharge- and they did. The local DAR wanted $250.00
> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:52:50 -0400, "tom418" >
> wrote:
>
> >I had to get a mechanic to inspect my Seneca prior to the issuance of a
> >ferry permit. In addition, the 100 hr rear seat retention mechanism AD
had
> >to be complied with. PLUS, when I took the logbooks over to the FSDO
office,
>
> Why'd you do that?
>
> >they noticed that AD on my Seneca 1's turbochargers was never signed off,
> >and I had to get the mechanic to attest that my plane didn't have
> >turbochargers (as if I didn't know :) ) The mechanic laughed and insisted
> >that the AD applied to the turbochargers and not the airframe. (Several
FAA
> >approved shops still insisted that the AD didn't apply ,but nonetheless,
I
> >got the sign-off)
>
> My last 5 annuals were late. I called the FSDO, they sent me the
> papers, (I don't have a fax machine), My mechanic said, "looks OK,
> signed it, and I flew it to the other airport for the annual. There
> was no inspection of logs, or anything else by the FSDO. By the time
> they received the paperwork the annual was already complete.
>
> Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
> N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

Peter Clark

May 11th 08, 05:39 PM

On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:41:46 -0400, "tom418" >
wrote:

>I went down to the FSDO office because they would issue the permit at no
>caharge- and they did. The local DAR wanted $250.00

The FSDO made you bring in the logs just to get a ferry permit for an
aircraft that was barely beyond annual inspection?

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May 11th 08, 07:57 PM

On May 11, 10:39*am, Peter Clark
> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:41:46 -0400, "tom418" >
> wrote:
>
> >I went down to the FSDO office because they would issue the permit at no
> >caharge- and they did. *The local DAR wanted $250.00
>
> The FSDO made you bring in the logs just to get a ferry permit for an
> aircraft that was barely beyond annual inspection?

Sure,,, How else would he have known his Non turbo plane needed an AD
sign off for the turbo's... Silly wabbit.. Them guvment guys are sharp
as a round rock ya know.....

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May 24th 08, 06:55 AM

On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:41:46 -0400, "tom418" >
wrote:

>> >got the sign-off)
>>
>> My last 5 annuals were late. I called the FSDO, they sent me the
>> papers, (I don't have a fax machine), My mechanic said, "looks OK,
>> signed it, and I flew it to the other airport for the annual. There
>> was no inspection of logs, or anything else by the FSDO. By the time
>> they received the paperwork the annual was already complete.

No Charges either... well except for the annual which was minimal.

>>
>> Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
>> N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>
Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com