B-58 Hustler

[Darrell]

For those of you who haven't seen it, try my B-58 Hustler home page link
below. Make sure you click on the ANNEX link. That's 3 pages of pictures
and data on the Hustler. Don't forget to sign the new Guest Book.
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[John A. Weeks III]

In article <jin9c.9912$wl1.8157@fed1read06>, Darrell >
wrote:

> For those of you who haven't seen it, try my B-58 Hustler home page link
> below. Make sure you click on the ANNEX link. That's 3 pages of pictures
> and data on the Hustler. Don't forget to sign the new Guest Book.

I have been keeping track of all of the retired B-58's that are still
in existance. http://www.johnweeks.com/b58.

-john-

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[Darrell]

Nice links, John,
I'll mark that site for use.

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"John A. Weeks III" > wrote in message
...
> In article <jin9c.9912$wl1.8157@fed1read06>, Darrell >
> wrote:
>
> > For those of you who haven't seen it, try my B-58 Hustler home page link
> > below. Make sure you click on the ANNEX link. That's 3 pages of
pictures
> > and data on the Hustler. Don't forget to sign the new Guest Book.
>
> I have been keeping track of all of the retired B-58's that are still
> in existance. http://www.johnweeks.com/b58.
>
> -john-
>
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> John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708
> Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
> ================================================== ==================

[WaltBJ]

Low level flight. Back then, in the early 60s, there were no
restrictions on VFR low level, other than stay out of airport control
zones, towns, and obey the general altitude restrictions. We used to
fly cross country low level - lead doing the nav and wing watching for
traffic. Down at 500 AGL and (usually) 360KIAS (for time - miles per
gallon was pretty much the same at 360/420) there was very seldom
anybody to be seen. We used to go into base ops, look at the weather
map for a nice big H, grab a stack of ONC charts, tear off a four inch
wide strip along the route, tape them together, draw the course line,
put time and mileage marks on them and off we'd go. BTW a clean 104A
could go 400 nm on the deck with plenty of fuel left. Later on the
USAF made us file IFR and that did away (mostly) with the informal low
levels.
Walt BJ

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(WaltBJ) wrote:

>Low level flight. Back then, in the early 60s, there were no
>restrictions on VFR low level, other than stay out of airport control
>zones, towns, and obey the general altitude restrictions. We used to
>fly cross country low level -

We used to do about the same with transport a/c. In those years I
was with a transport sqdn on C-119's flying service flights
between Toronto and the East Coast. Much more fun at low level
doing impromptu 'airshows' for little villages in Maine and NB
and the odd forest ranger tower operator than boring IFR at 8, 10
thousand feet.

You can't get away with fun stuff like that now...
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-Gord.

[Darrell]

Poker Deck routes were low level VFR routes while Oil Burner (later Olive
Branch) routes were the IFR ones.

Even the OB routes had VFR segments for terrain avoidance radar practice. I
flew those in the B-52H. In the B-58 we also had high speed segments which
we flew at 600 KIAS.

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"WaltBJ" > wrote in message
m...
> Low level flight. Back then, in the early 60s, there were no
> restrictions on VFR low level, other than stay out of airport control
> zones, towns, and obey the general altitude restrictions. We used to
> fly cross country low level - lead doing the nav and wing watching for
> traffic. Down at 500 AGL and (usually) 360KIAS (for time - miles per
> gallon was pretty much the same at 360/420) there was very seldom
> anybody to be seen. We used to go into base ops, look at the weather
> map for a nice big H, grab a stack of ONC charts, tear off a four inch
> wide strip along the route, tape them together, draw the course line,
> put time and mileage marks on them and off we'd go. BTW a clean 104A
> could go 400 nm on the deck with plenty of fuel left. Later on the
> USAF made us file IFR and that did away (mostly) with the informal low
> levels.
> Walt BJ

[OXMORON1]

Darrell wrote:
>B-58 we also had high speed segments which
>we flew at 600 KIAS.

Darrell, how did the B-58 ride at 600KIAS down low?
The B-57 would crack your head on the canopy bouncing along at 360 on a hot
day, near 500' AGL
At least we were going slow enough to read the names of the towns as we went
by.............

Rick Clark
MFE

[Darrell]

B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

> Darrell wrote:
> >B-58 we also had high speed segments which
> >we flew at 600 KIAS.
>
> Darrell, how did the B-58 ride at 600KIAS down low?
> The B-57 would crack your head on the canopy bouncing along at 360 on a
hot
> day, near 500' AGL
> At least we were going slow enough to read the names of the towns as we
went
> by.............

It flew pretty smooth, Rick. With the delta wing it seemed like it cut
through the turbulence. Sort of like water skiing. With 2 skis you feel
every ripple. With a single slalom ski it bites deeper into the water and
dampens out lots of the surface turbulence. With moderate turbulence we'd
get an occasional slap-bang but not very bad. This, at a time when B-52s
were aborting the route due to turbulence.
>
> Rick Clark
> MFE

[Kevin Brooks]

"Darrell" > wrote in message
news:sTnac.30514$wl1.6853@fed1read06...
> B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
>
> > Darrell wrote:
> > >B-58 we also had high speed segments which
> > >we flew at 600 KIAS.
> >
> > Darrell, how did the B-58 ride at 600KIAS down low?
> > The B-57 would crack your head on the canopy bouncing along at 360 on a
> hot
> > day, near 500' AGL
> > At least we were going slow enough to read the names of the towns as we
> went
> > by.............
>
> It flew pretty smooth, Rick. With the delta wing it seemed like it cut
> through the turbulence. Sort of like water skiing. With 2 skis you feel
> every ripple. With a single slalom ski it bites deeper into the water and
> dampens out lots of the surface turbulence. With moderate turbulence we'd
> get an occasional slap-bang but not very bad. This, at a time when B-52s
> were aborting the route due to turbulence.

Since the B-58 community must have been rather small, given its limited
production and service life, I wonder if you recall ever serving with a
pilot by the name of Wright? He also flew the B-66/EB-66 at some point in
his career.

Brooks

> >
> > Rick Clark
> > MFE
>
>

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"Kevin Brooks" > wrote:

>
>Since the B-58 community must have been rather small, given its limited
>production and service life, I wonder if you recall ever serving with a
>pilot by the name of Wright? He also flew the B-66/EB-66 at some point in
>his career.
>
>Brooks
>
Did he have a brother?... :)
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-Gord.

[Darrell]

Kevin Brooks wrote:
> "Darrell" > wrote in message
> news:sTnac.30514$wl1.6853@fed1read06...
>> B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
>>
>>> Darrell wrote:
>>>> B-58 we also had high speed segments which
>>>> we flew at 600 KIAS.
>>>
>>> Darrell, how did the B-58 ride at 600KIAS down low?
>>> The B-57 would crack your head on the canopy bouncing along at 360
>>> on a hot day, near 500' AGL
>>> At least we were going slow enough to read the names of the towns
>>> as we went by.............
>>
>> It flew pretty smooth, Rick. With the delta wing it seemed like it
>> cut through the turbulence. Sort of like water skiing. With 2 skis
>> you feel every ripple. With a single slalom ski it bites deeper
>> into the water and dampens out lots of the surface turbulence. With
>> moderate turbulence we'd get an occasional slap-bang but not very
>> bad. This, at a time when B-52s were aborting the route due to
>> turbulence.
>
> Since the B-58 community must have been rather small, given its
> limited production and service life, I wonder if you recall ever
> serving with a pilot by the name of Wright? He also flew the
> B-66/EB-66 at some point in his career.
>
> Brooks
>
>>>
>>> Rick Clark
>>> MFE

Yeah we had a guy whose nickname was "Wingtip" Wright who supposedly dinged
a wing tip of a B-58. We had both a Charles R. Wright and a John C. Wright.

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[Kevin Brooks]

"Darrell" > wrote in message
news:4EDac.30634$wl1.5635@fed1read06...
> Kevin Brooks wrote:
> > "Darrell" > wrote in message
> > news:sTnac.30514$wl1.6853@fed1read06...
> >> B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
> >>
> >>> Darrell wrote:
> >>>> B-58 we also had high speed segments which
> >>>> we flew at 600 KIAS.
> >>>
> >>> Darrell, how did the B-58 ride at 600KIAS down low?
> >>> The B-57 would crack your head on the canopy bouncing along at 360
> >>> on a hot day, near 500' AGL
> >>> At least we were going slow enough to read the names of the towns
> >>> as we went by.............
> >>
> >> It flew pretty smooth, Rick. With the delta wing it seemed like it
> >> cut through the turbulence. Sort of like water skiing. With 2 skis
> >> you feel every ripple. With a single slalom ski it bites deeper
> >> into the water and dampens out lots of the surface turbulence. With
> >> moderate turbulence we'd get an occasional slap-bang but not very
> >> bad. This, at a time when B-52s were aborting the route due to
> >> turbulence.
> >
> > Since the B-58 community must have been rather small, given its
> > limited production and service life, I wonder if you recall ever
> > serving with a pilot by the name of Wright? He also flew the
> > B-66/EB-66 at some point in his career.
> >
> > Brooks
> >
> >>>
> >>> Rick Clark
> >>> MFE
>
> Yeah we had a guy whose nickname was "Wingtip" Wright who supposedly
dinged
> a wing tip of a B-58. We had both a Charles R. Wright and a John C.
Wright.

I cannot recall the gentleman's first name. He retired as an LTC, probably
in the very early seventies; went onto a second career as a mathmatics
teacher. He was my ninth grade geometry teacher back in the 75-76 timeframe.
ISTR he said he liked flying the B-58, and I remember he was a particularly
religious gent. Interestingly, we had a second teacher at our school who was
also a retired SAC vet; B/N on B-47's, survived one crash (either landing or
T/O, can't recall which) and spent about a year convalescing--used to laugh
about how his buddies used to collect him and wheel him out to the
flightline and cram his rearend into an aircraft periodically so he could
still collect his flight pay while he was doing so.

Brooks


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>

[Darrell]

> > >>> Rick Clark
> > >>> MFE
> >
> > Yeah we had a guy whose nickname was "Wingtip" Wright who supposedly
> dinged
> > a wing tip of a B-58. We had both a Charles R. Wright and a John C.
> Wright.
>
> I cannot recall the gentleman's first name. He retired as an LTC, probably
> in the very early seventies; went onto a second career as a mathmatics
> teacher. He was my ninth grade geometry teacher back in the 75-76
timeframe.
> ISTR he said he liked flying the B-58, and I remember he was a
particularly
> religious gent. Interestingly, we had a second teacher at our school who
was
> also a retired SAC vet; B/N on B-47's, survived one crash (either landing
or
> T/O, can't recall which) and spent about a year convalescing--used to
laugh
> about how his buddies used to collect him and wheel him out to the
> flightline and cram his rearend into an aircraft periodically so he could
> still collect his flight pay while he was doing so.

I guess you don't recall the B-47 guy either? I went from instructing
T-33s in Pilot Training to the front seat of a B-47 while still a 1st Lt.
Hunter AFB at Savannah, Ga. Then to the left seat of (then) brand new
B-52Hs at Minot (ugh) ND. It was sort of a step sideways to go from the
B-52H with flight directors, terrain avoidance radar, etc to the B-58
Hustler. While very advanced in the airframe and engine areas it was rather
primitive in cockpit devices. Pretty good autopilot/autothrottles, though.
Plus there was only room for one pilot so you got every takeoff and landing
plus no one could look over your shoulder. We had several TB-58s which was
modified to have an instructor pilot position behind the pilot and did not
carry a navigator, just the pilots and a DSO.

I retired as a LtCol also on 1-1-72. Later got on with Air California and
made Captain in Boeing 737s is just over 2 years (deregulation expansion)
and American Airlines bought Air Cal 9 years later and I flew the MD-80, and
Boeings 757/767 for AA until I got booted out at age 60 in '93 (mandatory
retirement). Since then I've taught ground school and flight simulator in
the MD-80 at FSI/FSB/Boeing Alteon at Long Beach part time.

> > B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
>

[Kevin Brooks]

"Darrell" > wrote in message
news:0xZac.33840$wl1.24837@fed1read06...
> > > >>> Rick Clark
> > > >>> MFE
> > >
> > > Yeah we had a guy whose nickname was "Wingtip" Wright who supposedly
> > dinged
> > > a wing tip of a B-58. We had both a Charles R. Wright and a John C.
> > Wright.
> >
> > I cannot recall the gentleman's first name. He retired as an LTC,
probably
> > in the very early seventies; went onto a second career as a mathmatics
> > teacher. He was my ninth grade geometry teacher back in the 75-76
> timeframe.
> > ISTR he said he liked flying the B-58, and I remember he was a
> particularly
> > religious gent. Interestingly, we had a second teacher at our school who
> was
> > also a retired SAC vet; B/N on B-47's, survived one crash (either
landing
> or
> > T/O, can't recall which) and spent about a year convalescing--used to
> laugh
> > about how his buddies used to collect him and wheel him out to the
> > flightline and cram his rearend into an aircraft periodically so he
could
> > still collect his flight pay while he was doing so.
>
> I guess you don't recall the B-47 guy either? I went from instructing
> T-33s in Pilot Training to the front seat of a B-47 while still a 1st Lt.
> Hunter AFB at Savannah, Ga. Then to the left seat of (then) brand new
> B-52Hs at Minot (ugh) ND. It was sort of a step sideways to go from the
> B-52H with flight directors, terrain avoidance radar, etc to the B-58
> Hustler. While very advanced in the airframe and engine areas it was
rather
> primitive in cockpit devices. Pretty good autopilot/autothrottles,
though.
> Plus there was only room for one pilot so you got every takeoff and
landing
> plus no one could look over your shoulder. We had several TB-58s which
was
> modified to have an instructor pilot position behind the pilot and did not
> carry a navigator, just the pilots and a DSO.

The B-47 guy was named Dewey Johnson--he was the faculty advisor for our
high school Key Club, otherwise I would never have recalled his name. I
*think* the Wright might have been a Robert, but can't recall for sure. As
to johnson, I don't know where he served other than in Spain--I can still
remember him talking about how great a tour that was, with the US dollar
being so high against the local currency that he could afford to have a
gardener and housekeeper for his little villa. Real nice guy; I can remember
him telling us about a takeoff in a B-47 where the pilot forgot to properly
set the flaps, leading to them barely clearing the security shack at the
gate located off the end of the runway...

>
> I retired as a LtCol also on 1-1-72. Later got on with Air California and
> made Captain in Boeing 737s is just over 2 years (deregulation expansion)
> and American Airlines bought Air Cal 9 years later and I flew the MD-80,
and
> Boeings 757/767 for AA until I got booted out at age 60 in '93 (mandatory
> retirement). Since then I've taught ground school and flight simulator in
> the MD-80 at FSI/FSB/Boeing Alteon at Long Beach part time.

My Dad was a gunner on a B-29 during WWII; a few years ago I made contact
with his old AC. He had gone on to fly a long career with Delta, retiring
back in the seventies IIRC. Turned out his son had been flying CH-46's for
the USMC a year or so before my older brother flew UH-1D/H's in Vietnam, and
both flew medevac. Small world in some ways.

Brooks

>
> > > B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
> >
>
>

[Darrell]

> The B-47 guy was named Dewey Johnson--he was the faculty advisor for our
> high school Key Club, otherwise I would never have recalled his name. I
> *think* the Wright might have been a Robert, but can't recall for sure. As
> to johnson, I don't know where he served other than in Spain--I can still
> remember him talking about how great a tour that was, with the US dollar
> being so high against the local currency that he could afford to have a
> gardener and housekeeper for his little villa. Real nice guy; I can
remember
> him telling us about a takeoff in a B-47 where the pilot forgot to
properly
> set the flaps, leading to them barely clearing the security shack at the
> gate located off the end of the runway...

I don't think I knew Dewey. I only flew the B-47 for a short time in
Savannah, GA. 3 trips to Morocco,
Nouasseur Air Base outside of Casa Blanca. I did get to Moron and Madrid in
Spain in a B-58.

[OXMORON1]

Darrell wrote:
snippage
> I did get to Moron and Madrid in
>Spain in a B-58.

Beautiful Torrejon...HE111's, Bf 109's (Well the CASA equivalent) in the air at
the same time as B-58's and C-124's.
"MAC 1525, you are fourth in line behind the 111 and the two
104's............."

Rick Clark
MFE