Electric locomotion will replace internal combustion

In the year 2055, you will be arrested and prosecuted
for operating an internal combustion engine in the
United States of America. (Chimerica)
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"Lion is actually an abbreviation for lithium ion."

CARS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEK-bKF0aHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUaXG...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHs-l...eature=channel

"I’ve run the numbers, and based on the information that is in the
datasheets, its entirely possible to use these batteries in a PHEV –
they satisfy just about all the basic requirements for use. I
estimated 100 50Ah cells, which would provide a total energy storage
of 11.6kWh, which at an 80% depth of discharge would allow for 9.28kWh
usable energy. The batteries have a high enough charge/discharge rate
to support propelling a vehicle and recharge in a reasonable time,..."

http://www.sequence-omega.net/2009/0...anate-battery/


AIRPLANES:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=6358896
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0
www.skyspark.eu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqEKS...eature=related

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Mark

On Sep 17, 9:22*am, Mark wrote:
In the year 2055, you will be arrested and prosecuted
for operating an internal combustion engine in the
United States of America. (Chimerica)
----

"Lion is actually an abbreviation for lithium ion."

CARS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEK-b...eature=channel

"I’ve run the numbers, and based on the information that is in the
datasheets, its entirely possible to use these batteries in a PHEV –
they satisfy just about all the basic requirements for use. *I
estimated 100 50Ah cells, which would provide a total energy storage
of 11.6kWh, which at an 80% depth of discharge would allow for 9.28kWh
usable energy. The batteries have a high enough charge/discharge rate
to support propelling a vehicle and recharge in a reasonable time,..."

http://www.sequence-omega.net/2009/0...th-at-altairna...

AIRPLANES:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.h...eature=related

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Mark

This is sharp!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bo...trator_AB1.JPG

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Mark

Mark wrote:
In the year 2055, you will be arrested and prosecuted
for operating an internal combustion engine in the
United States of America. (Chimerica)

Then everyone starves when the big rig trucks stop food distribution.



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Jim Pennino

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Edward A. Falk wrote:
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wrote:
Mark wrote:
In the year 2055, you will be arrested and prosecuted
for operating an internal combustion engine in the
United States of America. (Chimerica)

Then everyone starves when the big rig trucks stop food distribution.

Presumably, by then electric vehicles will be practical. I think that's
OP's original point.

And a good point it is -- if we achieve a) cheap, clean electricity
(e.g. fusion, solar) and b) practical batteries, then we'll see incredible
changes in air quality, the economy, and even world politics.

I would guess that the use of internal combusion engines will not actually
be outlawed. More likely, people who want to operate them (e.g. antiques
collectors) will simply pay a pollution tax when they buy the fuel.

Bear in mind that if 99% of the vehicles switch to electric, then the
few ICEs that remain won't be generating enough pollution to actually
worry about. We might even see a relaxation of pollution laws rather
than a tightening of them.

I'm not holding my breath though. Batteries suck and they're not getting
much better. It will be exciting to see what the next 50 years brings.


Batteries have been around for 210 years and there is nothing on horizon
that will provide anywhere near the energy density required to power
something like a big rig truck, a farm tractor, construction machinery,
airplanes, a train, or a boat of any size.

Even pure electric cars are not practical as a replacement for an ICE car
in other than very limited conditions.


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Jim Pennino

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:48:09 +0000 (UTC), Edward A. Falk wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
Mark wrote:
In the year 2055, you will be arrested and prosecuted
for operating an internal combustion engine in the
United States of America. (Chimerica)

Then everyone starves when the big rig trucks stop food distribution.

Presumably, by then electric vehicles will be practical. I think that's
OP's original point.

Point? The only point this delusiona, bipolare menace is on his gay
head.
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On Sep 17, 12:30*pm, wrote:
Edward A. Falk wrote:





In article ,
wrote:
Mark wrote:
In the year 2055, you will be arrested and prosecuted
for operating an internal combustion engine in the
United States of America. (Chimerica)

Then everyone starves when the big rig trucks stop food distribution.

Presumably, by then electric vehicles will be practical. *I think that's
OP's original point.

And a good point it is -- if we achieve a) cheap, clean electricity
(e.g. fusion, solar) and b) practical batteries, then we'll see incredible
changes in air quality, the economy, and even world politics.

I would guess that the use of internal combusion engines will not actually
be outlawed. *More likely, people who want to operate them (e.g. antiques
collectors) will simply pay a pollution tax when they buy the fuel.

Bear in mind that if 99% of the vehicles switch to electric, then the
few ICEs that remain won't be generating enough pollution to actually
worry about. *We might even see a relaxation of pollution laws rather
than a tightening of them.

I'm not holding my breath though. *Batteries suck and they're not getting
much better. *It will be exciting to see what the next 50 years brings.

Batteries have been around for 210 years and there is nothing on horizon
that will provide anywhere near the energy density required to power
something like a big rig truck, a farm tractor, construction machinery,
airplanes, a train, or a boat of any size.

Even pure electric cars are not practical as a replacement for an ICE car
in other than very limited conditions.

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Jim Pennino

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Wrong.

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Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 17, 12:30Â*pm, wrote:
Edward A. Falk wrote:





In article ,
wrote:
Mark wrote:
In the year 2055, you will be arrested and prosecuted
for operating an internal combustion engine in the
United States of America. (Chimerica)

Then everyone starves when the big rig trucks stop food distribution.

Presumably, by then electric vehicles will be practical. Â*I think that's
OP's original point.

And a good point it is -- if we achieve a) cheap, clean electricity
(e.g. fusion, solar) and b) practical batteries, then we'll see incredible
changes in air quality, the economy, and even world politics.

I would guess that the use of internal combusion engines will not actually
be outlawed. Â*More likely, people who want to operate them (e.g. antiques
collectors) will simply pay a pollution tax when they buy the fuel.

Bear in mind that if 99% of the vehicles switch to electric, then the
few ICEs that remain won't be generating enough pollution to actually
worry about. Â*We might even see a relaxation of pollution laws rather
than a tightening of them.

I'm not holding my breath though. Â*Batteries suck and they're not getting
much better. Â*It will be exciting to see what the next 50 years brings.

Batteries have been around for 210 years and there is nothing on horizon
that will provide anywhere near the energy density required to power
something like a big rig truck, a farm tractor, construction machinery,
airplanes, a train, or a boat of any size.

Even pure electric cars are not practical as a replacement for an ICE car
in other than very limited conditions.

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Jim Pennino

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Wrong.

Yes, you usually are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Energy_density.svg

Conventional gasoline: 34.8 MJ/L 43 MJ/kg

100LL: 44 MJ/kg 32 MJ/L

Jet A 43 MJ/kg 33 MJ/L

Lithium ion nanowire battery: 2.54 MJ/kg (experimental, bleeding edge)

Supercapacitor: .01 MJ/kg (experimental, bleeding edge)


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 17, 12:30*pm, wrote:

Even pure electric cars are not practical as a replacement for an ICE car
in other than very limited conditions.

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Jim Pennino

1. I suggest you educate yourself as to what the driving
habits and requirements are of 90% of all Americans,
including the distances and durations and then maybe
peruse a list of electric car dealerships available now
along with the soon-to-open ones, and look at the fit
that is there before you babble on about "not practical"
replacement, or else you may soon find your other foot
in your mouth along with the one that got in there as
you dispensed mistaken information about LSAs,
economics, grammar, and FAR definitions.

2. Other than that...no problem. smile

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Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 17, 12:30Â*pm, wrote:

Even pure electric cars are not practical as a replacement for an ICE car
in other than very limited conditions.

--
Jim Pennino

1. I suggest you educate yourself as to what the driving
habits and requirements are of 90% of all Americans,
including the distances and durations and then maybe
peruse a list of electric car dealerships available now
along with the soon-to-open ones, and look at the fit
that is there before you babble on about "not practical"

Yeah, sure, pure electric car sales are just booming.

Like the Chevy Volt at $41,000 after government subsidies.


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 18, 3:28*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
In the year 2055, you will be arrested and prosecuted
for operating an internal combustion engine in the
United States of America. (Chimerica)

Then everyone starves when the big rig trucks stop food distribution.

One of those 'unfortunate facts' that the dreamers cannot get their
heads around