$1 billion BMS Ooops...

Dave Nadler wrote on 2/24/2021 6:08 PM:
On 2/24/2021 8:55 PM, kinsell wrote:
On 2/24/21 4:13 PM, Dave Nadler wrote:
On 2/24/2021 4:51 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, wrote:
https://insideevs.com/news/490300/hy...ll-82000-bevs/
Discuss amongst yourselves...

Dave, it's time for you to stop complaining and just admit electric is simple.

You're absolutely right Darryl!
After all, how hard could it be???

Simple and ultra reliable.* You gonna be dragging your old faithful Antares down to the
Seniors this year?

After it failed during the last two comps I took it to?
Drive for days, fly a few times, then drive for days home after it breaks?
I don't think so...

Anyway, no vaccination yet so no travel in any case.

The Antares was a bold effort, perhaps too bold, and by now, it's an old effort. No point in
holding it up as an example anymore. Now, all the manufacturers have electric gliders, and Solo
has added electric systems to their sailplane power business. Electric isn't the coming thing
any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics
than ICEs.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On 2/24/21 9:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Dave Nadler wrote on 2/24/2021 6:08 PM:
On 2/24/2021 8:55 PM, kinsell wrote:
On 2/24/21 4:13 PM, Dave Nadler wrote:
On 2/24/2021 4:51 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8,
wrote:
https://insideevs.com/news/490300/hy...ll-82000-bevs/

Discuss amongst yourselves...

Dave, it's time for you to stop complaining and just admit electric
is simple.

You're absolutely right Darryl!
After all, how hard could it be???

Simple and ultra reliable.Â* You gonna be dragging your old faithful
Antares down to the Seniors this year?

After it failed during the last two comps I took it to?
Drive for days, fly a few times, then drive for days home after it
breaks?
I don't think so...

Anyway, no vaccination yet so no travel in any case.

The Antares was a bold effort, perhaps too bold, and by now, it's an old
effort. No point in holding it up as an example anymore. Now, all the
manufacturers have electric gliders, and Solo has added electric systems
to their sailplane power business. Electric isn't the coming thing any
mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start
selling more electrics than ICEs.


I see another Silent 2 just popped up on the market, that makes four
plus one recently sold. Garret suggests you might want to aerotow or
winch launch to conserve battery power. When I see these things with a
dozen hours on them up for sale, it suggests that the owners aren't that
thrilled with what they got for their money.

On 2/25/2021 9:49 AM, kinsell wrote:
I see another Silent 2 just popped up on the market, that makes four
plus one recently sold.Â* Garret suggests you might want to aerotow or
winch launch to conserve battery power.Â* When I see these things with a
dozen hours on them up for sale, it suggests that the owners aren't that
thrilled with what they got for their money.

The Silent 2 is an interesting bird.
I've got friends that love it, and others that have sold it on.
Some owners have had to replace battery packs, newer packs
are reported OK - but this is 2nd or 3rd hand info.
More importantly, its got very limited energy, so if you
self-launch, not much in the tank to get home.
Because of its limited performance, you can't just skip
over gaps that higher performance machines take for granted,
and a bit of headwind is a big obstacle.

So, if it can do what you need with your weather and site
constraints, great! But work through carefully whether it
meets your needs.

FWIW...
Best Regards, Dave

kinsell wrote on 2/25/2021 6:49 AM:
On 2/24/21 9:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Dave Nadler wrote on 2/24/2021 6:08 PM:
On 2/24/2021 8:55 PM, kinsell wrote:
On 2/24/21 4:13 PM, Dave Nadler wrote:
On 2/24/2021 4:51 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, wrote:
https://insideevs.com/news/490300/hy...ll-82000-bevs/
Discuss amongst yourselves...

Dave, it's time for you to stop complaining and just admit electric is simple.

You're absolutely right Darryl!
After all, how hard could it be???

Simple and ultra reliable.* You gonna be dragging your old faithful Antares down to the
Seniors this year?

After it failed during the last two comps I took it to?
Drive for days, fly a few times, then drive for days home after it breaks?
I don't think so...

Anyway, no vaccination yet so no travel in any case.

The Antares was a bold effort, perhaps too bold, and by now, it's an old effort. No point in
holding it up as an example anymore. Now, all the manufacturers have electric gliders, and
Solo has added electric systems to their sailplane power business. Electric isn't the coming
thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start selling more
electrics than ICEs.


I see another Silent 2 just popped up on the market, that makes four plus one recently sold.
Garret suggests you might want to aerotow or winch launch to conserve battery power.* When I
see these things with a dozen hours on them up for sale, it suggests that the owners aren't
that thrilled with what they got for their money.

It would be instructive to discuss the reasons with the people selling the Silents. My only
contact with one is Jeff Banks' Silent. We flew together for a week out of Richfield, UT, last
year. He likes it, self-launched every flight, and had good flights. He also flew out of Heber,
Nephi and Dick Stout airfields in 2020. You can check the OLC for his flights in 2018, 2019 and
2020. Also, 2021 - first flight of the year at Seminole.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
...Electric isn't the coming thing any
mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed when they start
selling more electrics than ICEs.

Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid.
As I did once.
You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right?
And I do mean THIS year...

On 2/25/21 6:07 PM, Dave Nadler wrote:
On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
...Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next
milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than
ICEs.

Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid.
As I did once.
You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right?
And I do mean THIS year...

I noticed one of the other Silent 2 Electro owners was fishing around to
buy an ASH31Mi, a gas guzzling Schleicher product. Grass is always
greener on the other side.

Maybe Eric and that guy could work out a swap, then they'd both have
their dream ships :-)

Dave Nadler wrote on 2/25/2021 5:07 PM:
On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
...Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed
when they start selling more electrics than ICEs.

Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid.
As I did once.
You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right?
And I do mean THIS year...

Even on the original, pre-Covid schedule, it would not have been ready for the Seniors. And
consider this: my current motorglider, the ASH26E, was delivered a year late by Schleicher, so
by that standard, GP still has until Feb. 2022 to get the new glider to me :^)

There are a lot of FES gliders out there now, and with all the manufacturers offering them,
there will be many more. The more powerful electrics with mast mounted propellers are also
offered by all the manufacturers, and many pilots that think the FES gliders are appealing but
marginal will be ordering these new gliders.

I think you will see a lot of Kool-Aid drinkers behind the Schleicher, Schempp-Hirth, and
Jonkers booths at the SSA convention in 2022, all offering what you saw - and desired - in the
Antares years ago. They won't make the same mistakes that Lange made.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On 2/25/2021 11:02 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Dave Nadler wrote on 2/25/2021 5:07 PM:
On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
...Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next
milestone will be passed when they start selling more electrics than
ICEs.

Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid.
As I did once.
You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right?
And I do mean THIS year...

...They won't make the same mistakes that Lange made.

Except they already have.
GP delivered and then undelivered to USA a good example.

Dave Nadler wrote on 2/26/2021 2:16 PM:
On 2/25/2021 11:02 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Dave Nadler wrote on 2/25/2021 5:07 PM:
On 2/24/2021 11:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
...Electric isn't the coming thing any mo it's here. The next milestone will be passed
when they start selling more electrics than ICEs.

Eric, you've been drinking the Cool-Aid.
As I did once.
You're bringing your new electric machine to the Seniors, right?
And I do mean THIS year...

...They won't make the same mistakes that Lange made.

Except they already have.
GP delivered and then undelivered to USA a good example.

Please note GP wasn't on my list of booths. I do expect the manufacturers that have been
building gliders for decades to have fewer stumbles, and I don't think it is an indictment of
the technology if a startup has problems delivering on time. It is always an extra risk to
order a glider that is not in production yet (also the case when I ordered my ASH26E), and even
riskier when it's a new manufacturer (GP, Lange), but for me, the GP15 is still a more
desirable glider than what the major manufacturers are offering.

So, I will repeat: Schleicher, Schmepp-Hirth, and Jonkers will not make the same mistakes Lange
made (perhaps I should add LAK and Pipistrel to the list).

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1