Rogue IFR

"Roger Long" om wrote in
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What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what they know
is solid IMC?


How would ATC know a 1200 target is in solid IMC?

Some days in this part of the world, it's pretty obvious.

It occurs to me that this guy would never have been doing this if the GPS
hadn't been invented. He just watches the gauges and follows the little
pointer until he see the airport.

I wonder if we'll be seeing more of this?

--
Roger Long


How would ATC know a 1200 target is in solid IMC?

And,

not having to talk to ATC or worry about those pesky IFR procedures probably
reduces his workload enough that he'll live to be able to do this for a
couple more years.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" om wrote in
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Some days in this part of the world, it's pretty obvious.


That doesn't answer the question. How would it be obvious?

C'mon - if it's solid deck from 300' up to 5000' and he's at 1200', it is
pretty obvious. Maybe not legally enforcable, but obvious.

MIchael

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Roger Long" om wrote
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Some days in this part of the world, it's pretty obvious.


That doesn't answer the question. How would it be obvious?

"Michael 182" wrote in message
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C'mon - if it's solid deck from 300' up to 5000' and he's at 1200', it is
pretty obvious. Maybe not legally enforcable, but obvious.


Yeah, that's obvious, but how can you tell it's solid deck from 300' to
5000' by looking at a radar scope?

You wouldn't from the scope, but there are plenty of days when the
conditions are well known. Do you mean you have no idea what the cloud
conditions are as a controller? Not such that you can decide if he is
violating VFR, but enough to know, at least in your own head, that there is
no way this guy is VMC...


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Michael 182" wrote in message
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C'mon - if it's solid deck from 300' up to 5000' and he's at 1200', it
is
pretty obvious. Maybe not legally enforcable, but obvious.


Yeah, that's obvious, but how can you tell it's solid deck from 300' to
5000' by looking at a radar scope?

"Michael 182" wrote in message
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You wouldn't from the scope, but there are plenty of days when the
conditions are well known. Do you mean you have no idea what the cloud
conditions are as a controller? Not such that you can decide if he is
violating VFR, but enough to know, at least in your own head, that there
is
no way this guy is VMC...


You would need a PIREP from someone at the same spot at the same time.

"Michael 182"
You wouldn't from the scope, but there are plenty of days when the
conditions are well known. Do you mean you have no idea what the cloud
conditions are as a controller? Not such that you can decide if he is
violating VFR, but enough to know, at least in your own head, that there
is
no way this guy is VMC...

Actually, I'm thinking the other way around. Seems like that are a lot of
days where you might 'know' the guy violated VFR to get there and to get
where ever he's going. But unless you are in it and close by, you really
don't know if the guy might be VMC or IMC at a given momeent.

Scary any way you look at it.

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"Roger Long" om
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It occurs to me that this guy would never have been doing this if the GPS
hadn't been invented. He just watches the gauges and follows the little
pointer until he see the airport.

While the GPS may give them more accuracy, this was being done long
before the GPS became available.

--
Dale L. Falk

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as simply messing around with airplanes.

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