Standard rate turn in Boeing 757?

"Jon Woellhaf" wrote in message news:Ayqwc.7120

John, did you ever get to do one for real?

Nope. From intro flight to 747, I never had a catastrophic failure of any
kind. I'd love to think skill and professionalism had something to do with
it, but nobody would buy that song -- particularly the guy in the mirror.
Just pure good luck. :-) Had a few system failures, and a few
precautionary landings, but nothing officially an emergency. How dull.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"Jon Woellhaf" wrote in message news:Ayqwc.7120

John, did you ever get to do one for real?

Nope. From intro flight to 747, I never had a catastrophic failure of any
kind. I'd love to think skill and professionalism had something to do with
it, but nobody would buy that song -- particularly the guy in the mirror.
Just pure good luck. :-) Had a few system failures, and a few
precautionary landings, but nothing officially an emergency. How dull.

Well obviously you didn't have a catastrophic failure since your
posting here. But no memorable problems with this machine is
unbelievable. I flew it for four years and had all kinds of
mechanical failures. We had an engine slam into reverse at FL180 and
the cowlings and reverser sleave fell into Brooklyn one night. It
sounds to me like you were not on the airplane very long. Were you
just a flight engineer? Or were you a pilot? Just give a straight
answer John. Your postings are very suspicious buddy.

pacplyer

"pacplyer" wrote in message
om...
[...] Your postings are very suspicious buddy.

Says the guy who posts anonymously. How ironic.

"pacplyer" wrote in message

.... It
sounds to me like you were not on the airplane very long. Were you
just a flight engineer? Or were you a pilot? Just give a straight
answer John. Your postings are very suspicious buddy.


A touch over three years, pac, about three and a half. As a pilot.

And what do you mean by "...just a flight engineer..."? Bet you make a lot
of friends among the crews you fly with carrying an attitude like that.

Nothing suspicious about my posts. Just a guy who went to work and flew
the plane. From 72 to 96 I never had any kind of catastrophic failure in
any airplane. Period. OTOH, you seem to have endless tales of horrible
events, dangerous circumstances, horrid weather, self-destructing aircraft,
incompetent crew members, etc, etc. Many of your posts involve
demonstrating how skillful you are and how bumbling someone else is.
Denigrating your F/O seems a recurring subject. In point of fact, your
posts sound a might suspicious to me. Nothing in your posting sounds like
any mature Captain I've ever encountered over the past thirty years.
Frankly, you sound to me like someone relatively new to the big leagues who
wants everyone to believe you're an old pro. I may be wrong, and hope I am,
and I really don't want to get into a debate about this, but that's the way
you come across to me.

"John Gaquin" wrote
I may be wrong, and hope I am, and I really don't want
to get into a debate about this, but that's the way
you come across to me.

I'm with you John.

Bob Moore

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" wrote
I may be wrong, and hope I am, and I really don't want
to get into a debate about this, but that's the way
you come across to me.

I'm with you John.

Bob Moore

It is because the poster has never flown the airlines. A while back,
another guy said something to the effect, that he knows enough, he could
make people believe (fool them), he was really an airline pilot. He is so
busted, in my book. Remember saying that, Mr. Fake? I do.
--
Jim in NC


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Bob Moore wrote in message .8...
"John Gaquin" wrote
I may be wrong, and hope I am, and I really don't want
to get into a debate about this, but that's the way
you come across to me.

I'm with you John.


A nice little toy to look at turn rates here


http://www.csgnetwork.com/aircraftturninfocalc.html
should keep the pundits smiling

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"pacplyer" wrote in message

.... It
sounds to me like you were not on the airplane very long. Were you
just a flight engineer? Or were you a pilot? Just give a straight
answer John. Your postings are very suspicious buddy.


A touch over three years, pac, about three and a half. As a pilot.

And what do you mean by "...just a flight engineer..."? Bet you make a lot
of friends among the crews you fly with carrying an attitude like that.

Were you Captain, First Officer, or Flight Engineer hired on the basis
of having a Comm pilot lic? My guess it that you were in the
non-flying seat. The reason I suspect this is you have this constant
need to sign your posts with B747 at the bottom. I've never seen a
747 driver feel the need to do this all the time. I have seen S/O's
go to the bar and pretend that they physically fly the airplane since
people don't understand the difference.



Nothing suspicious about my posts. Just a guy who went to work and flew
the plane. From 72 to 96 I never had any kind of catastrophic failure in
any airplane. Period. OTOH, you seem to have endless tales of horrible
events, dangerous circumstances, horrid weather, self-destructing aircraft,
incompetent crew members, etc, etc.

I do believe you were a crewmember on the airplane John. You must
have worked for a better outfit than I did if nothing ever went wrong.
But things do fall off airplanes and sometimes they are lost; I guess
you never read AW&ST. Since I got hired we had six hull losses, and
killed four people. Many others were injured.
International/MAC/supplemental freight flying is statisically much
more dangerous than any other type.

Many of your posts involve
demonstrating how skillful you are and how bumbling someone else is.
Denigrating your F/O seems a recurring subject. In point of fact, your
posts sound a might suspicious to me. Nothing in your posting sounds like
any mature Captain I've ever encountered over the past thirty years.
Frankly, you sound to me like someone relatively new to the big leagues who
wants everyone to believe you're an old pro. I may be wrong, and hope I am,
and I really don't want to get into a debate about this, but that's the way
you come across to me.

Fair enough John. It's clear you don't like my writing style. I just
use these forums as practice for writing. I use a certain amount of
literary creative licence in my stories, otherwise they would be dull.
I include memorable things that happened to me in my career which
started in 82'.

Best Regards,

pacplyer

"pacplyer" wrote in message

...My guess it that you were in the non-flying seat.

LOL. Bad guess. I was scheduled for a transition from 727 to 747, but a
contract was lost and the whole 727 program was cxd. Furloughs, and lots of
bumping, as you might imagine. I wound up flying three plus years in the
right seat of the 747. Not bad duty, though. All the guys who did manage
to hold on to their Capt seats were professionals, we had professional FEs
who were outstanding, and the crews worked together accordingly.

..... You must
have worked for a better outfit than I did if nothing ever went wrong.

I never said nothing ever went wrong, although damn few things did. I said
no catastrophic failure occurred on any airplane I was on.


International/MAC/supplemental freight flying is statistically much
more dangerous than any other type.

All of my 747 flying was for supplemental carriers. The bulk of it was
contract or ad hoc freight, and MAC work. There was some pax work for one
of the carriers. I never sensed an environment that was "...much more
dangerous...", but I can't speak to the statistics.


.....I use a certain amount of
literary creative licence in my stories,

I interpret that to mean you simply make stuff up.

Regards,

John Gaquin
B727, B747

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"pacplyer" wrote in message

...My guess it that you were in the non-flying seat.

LOL. Bad guess. I was scheduled for a transition from 727 to 747, but a
contract was lost and the whole 727 program was cxd. Furloughs, and lots of
bumping, as you might imagine. I wound up flying three plus years in the
right seat of the 747. Not bad duty, though. All the guys who did manage
to hold on to their Capt seats were professionals, we had professional FEs
who were outstanding, and the crews worked together accordingly.

..... You must
have worked for a better outfit than I did if nothing ever went wrong.

I never said nothing ever went wrong, although damn few things did. I said
no catastrophic failure occurred on any airplane I was on.


International/MAC/supplemental freight flying is statistically much
more dangerous than any other type.

All of my 747 flying was for supplemental carriers. The bulk of it was
contract or ad hoc freight, and MAC work. There was some pax work for one
of the carriers. I never sensed an environment that was "...much more
dangerous...", but I can't speak to the statistics.


.....I use a certain amount of
literary creative licence in my stories,

I interpret that to mean you simply make stuff up.

Regards,

John Gaquin
B727, B747


Such as taxi outs at over 800,000 pounds with two engines shut down?
Sounds to me like you made that up. If you had to stop, it would take
more than climb power on the remaining outboards to make a 90 degree
turn. The taxiway erosion alone caused by this stunt is extremely
unprofessional which is why I knew you weren't a captain on the 747.
Now in one of my stories was a coke can going to kill us? No. But it
makes a fine story about a non-pertinant event.

I get alone with well with all the people I work with. They aren't so
sensitive about bar room talk like you are. This NG is not a
professional setting. You should take your pointed hat off, and quit
trying to be a cheif pilot to everybody here. Rec.avi.pilotg is
RECREATION John. It's just entertainment. You're retired now. Try to
lighten up. IMHO you take things way too seriously. Life is too
short to be a shoe-shine inspector.

pacplyer