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February 27th 05, 02:37 AM
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"Dan Thompson" wrote in message . com... What it is, is ATC expects everyone to be able to navigate direct, one way or another. Well, not all of ATC. I expect you to be able to fly your filed route on own navigation. I don't expect you to be able to proceed direct unless you file the appropriate equipment suffix, file point to point direct, or you ask me for direct somewhere en route. I agree that some controllers don't know what in the hell they are doing these days, but that's because the FAA dumbed down training after 1992 and let PC run amok. We're in the process of fixing that right now though. Chip, ZTL 
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February 27th 05, 04:06 AM
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Chip Jones wrote: We're in the process of fixing that right now though. Yep, you're getting all the AFSS guys that will be, ah, surplussed.
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February 27th 05, 04:39 AM
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"Newps" wrote in message news  Yep, you're getting all the AFSS guys that will be, ah, surplussed. Not all, just those few that have been controllers.
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February 27th 05, 08:58 PM
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"Newps" wrote in message news Chip Jones wrote: We're in the process of fixing that right now though. Yep, you're getting all the AFSS guys that will be, ah, surplussed. Naw, *you're* getting all of the AFSS guys who have been surplussed. I'm in a Level-12 ARTCC at the top of the ATC food chain. The AFSS guys that have a Center background are almost all to a person, if not actually to a person, enroute training failures. When we used to wash 'em out, they got sent down to AFSS or some small tower/tracon in the minors somewhere. The vast majority of employable AFSS people aren't qualified for ARTCC developmental positions. We don't accept training failure transfers here at the world's busiest ATC facility. Far more likely you swivel-heads will get the few AFSS guys who actually are qualified controllers. Ironic, too, in a twisted FAA way.. After all, the 69 Level 2-3 VFR towers will be the next part of the NAS auctioned off to the low bidder, followed by Level-Three up-down terminal facilities. Those few AFSS people who get picked up in air traffic will be job-hunting again in about five years, along with a whole bunch of terminal 2152's. Serco or Lockmart is headed your way right around 2010 or so. Chip, ZTL
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February 27th 05, 10:07 PM
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"Chip Jones" wrote in message nk.net... Naw, *you're* getting all of the AFSS guys who have been surplussed. I'm in a Level-12 ARTCC at the top of the ATC food chain. The AFSS guys that have a Center background are almost all to a person, if not actually to a person, enroute training failures. When we used to wash 'em out, they got sent down to AFSS or some small tower/tracon in the minors somewhere. The vast majority of employable AFSS people aren't qualified for ARTCC developmental positions. We don't accept training failure transfers here at the world's busiest ATC facility. So what possessed you to transfer to ZOB?
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February 28th 05, 01:03 AM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Chip Jones" wrote in message nk.net... Naw, *you're* getting all of the AFSS guys who have been surplussed. I'm in a Level-12 ARTCC at the top of the ATC food chain. The AFSS guys that have a Center background are almost all to a person, if not actually to a person, enroute training failures. When we used to wash 'em out, they got sent down to AFSS or some small tower/tracon in the minors somewhere. The vast majority of employable AFSS people aren't qualified for ARTCC developmental positions. We don't accept training failure transfers here at the world's busiest ATC facility. So what possessed you to transfer to ZOB? LOL Stevie, you don't get out much, do ya? ZOB is #2... Chip, ZTL
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February 28th 05, 01:50 AM
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"Chip Jones" wrote in message nk.net... LOL Stevie, you don't get out much, do ya? ZOB is #2... Is it? What's your source for that? According to the Administrator's Fact Book, ZOB was numero uno in CYs 1997 through 2003. It's updated quarterly, the latest is November 2004 so it doesn't have data for CY 2004. http://www.atctraining.faa.gov/factbook/
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#8
February 28th 05, 02:22 AM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Chip Jones" wrote in message nk.net... LOL Stevie, you don't get out much, do ya? ZOB is #2... Is it? What's your source for that? According to the Administrator's Fact Book, ZOB was numero uno in CYs 1997 through 2003. It's updated quarterly, the latest is November 2004 so it doesn't have data for CY 2004. http://www.atctraining.faa.gov/factbook/ My source for that is the exact source you quote. It does indeed have data for CY 2004... Chip, ZT:
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