IFR w/pax under Single-Pilot/Single Aircraft 135

"Bravo8500" wrote in
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Anybody know what the limitations are on flying IFR with passengers in
a single-engine under a single-pilot, single-aircraft part 135 cert?
Thanks for any info, I can't glean it from reading part 135.

The limitations are that you can't do it. Period.

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Regards,

Stan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

"Stan Gosnell" wrote in message ...
"Bravo8500" wrote in
oups.com:

Anybody know what the limitations are on flying IFR with passengers in
a single-engine under a single-pilot, single-aircraft part 135 cert?
Thanks for any info, I can't glean it from reading part 135.

The limitations are that you can't do it. Period.


I was thinking that Richard Kaplan did that in his P210, but I haven't seen any posts on usenet from him in
quite a while....yes, here it is (or google for "kaplan 135")...

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...7b00ccc1c61305

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

Wow, great info. Start out VFR and go from there. I wonder if that's
still the case, hmm. Thanks!

"Bravo8500" wrote in message
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Wow, great info. Start out VFR and go from there. I wonder if that's
still the case, hmm. Thanks!


I didn't read the link, but it appears that your FSDO has a lot to say about
it. They have zero downside in saying no, and can screw up their careers if
they approve it and something happens.

Which way will they go? You better be make GOOD buddies with them, or have
some other leverage.

"John Clonts" wrote in message
...

I was thinking that Richard Kaplan did that in his P210, but I haven't
seen any posts on usenet from him in quite a while....yes, here it is (or
google for "kaplan 135")...

Yes, I did it and it is still permissible.


See FAR 135.163 redundant alternator/gyro requirements. There is also
an FAR requiring a 3-axis autopilot if the operations will be single-pilot
and requiring an approved engine trend-monitoring program for single-engine
aircraft. I did all this and had single-pilot, single-engine piston, IFR
night/day known-icing approval.

--------------------
Richard Kaplan

www.flyimc.com

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in
news:1110257401.d3fd2076e1b352748b3e4e1081056f91@t eranews:

Yes, I did it and it is still permissible.

See FAR 135.163 redundant alternator/gyro requirements. There is
also an FAR requiring a 3-axis autopilot if the operations will be
single-pilot and requiring an approved engine trend-monitoring program
for single-engine aircraft. I did all this and had single-pilot,
single-engine piston, IFR night/day known-icing approval.

You're right, I was thinking of 10 or more pax, for some reason.

--
Regards,

Stan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

Legally, you can do it with a proper autopilot ( per 135), practically,
good luck finding insurance.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Legally, you can do it with a proper autopilot ( per 135), practically,
good luck finding insurance.


The insurance problem has nothing to do with IFR operations. Your best bet
is to go naked -- carry minimum liability and don't cover the hull. Hull
alone is usually more than half the cost of the insurance -- oddly, the
liability is not much more than it is for private aviation. It is the only
way you have any chance for profitability at all.