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Old July 25th 05, 08:01 PM
Jose
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Another thing they do. If you do a touch and go on your IFR cross
country, sometimes they cancel your IFR flight plan even though you
want to continue on.


Is the touch and go being done at your clearance limit?


Interesting. Suppose I wanted to do multple approaches at ABC including
touch and goes. If I filed DXR ABC XYZ, could my IFR flight plan be
cancelled upon touching for the first time at ABC? (I presume it could
if I filed DXR ABC with multple approaches and T&Gs at ABC)

Then, back in the air after doing my T&Gs at ABC, I ask for a clearance
back to DXR, changing my destination from XYZ to DXR. Would this work?

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Old July 26th 05, 12:41 PM
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"Jose" wrote in message
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Interesting. Suppose I wanted to do multple approaches at ABC including
touch and goes. If I filed DXR ABC XYZ, could my IFR flight plan be
cancelled upon touching for the first time at ABC?


No.



(I presume it could if
I filed DXR ABC with multple approaches and T&Gs at ABC)


If ABC has an operating control tower, yes. Nothing is actually done to
cancel it, it's "cancelled" because you've safely reached your clearance
limit.



Then, back in the air after doing my T&Gs at ABC, I ask for a clearance
back to DXR, changing my destination from XYZ to DXR. Would this work?


Yes, but why not file DXR..ABC..DXR if that's what you want?


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Old July 26th 05, 01:34 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
why not file DXR..ABC..DXR if that's what you want?


It's been a while since I tried something like this, but FSS (at least
around here) use to insist that you could not do that, and had to file two
distinct flight plans, one DXR-ABC, and a second one ABC-DXR. I have no
idea why, but that's what they would say.

Personally, I avoid filing with FSS as much as possible (sometimes you
can't avoid it). I file through DUATS. The computer never makes up silly
rules and just does what you tell it to do.
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Old July 26th 05, 04:15 PM
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"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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It's been a while since I tried something like this, but FSS (at least
around here) use to insist that you could not do that, and had to file two
distinct flight plans, one DXR-ABC, and a second one ABC-DXR. I have no
idea why, but that's what they would say.


They're fulla crap. The route should be filed with a delay in hours and
minutes at the point the approaches are to be made. If you intend to fly
approaches for one hour it would be DXR..ABC/D1+00..DXR, half an hour would
be DXR..ABC/D0+30..DXR.


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Old July 26th 05, 02:34 PM
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Yes, but why not file DXR..ABC..DXR if that's what you want?

I suppose. My instructors have always filed DXR-ABC and then ABC-DXR,
with a full stop to pick up the new clearance. They have said that
round robin flights can be a problem. I've never tried it myself.

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Old July 26th 05, 04:22 PM
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"Jose" wrote in message
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I suppose. My instructors have always filed DXR-ABC and then ABC-DXR,
with a full stop to pick up the new clearance. They have said that round
robin flights can be a problem. I've never tried it myself.


The "problem" is probably due to not filing a delay at the point where the
approaches are to be flown. If an hour of approaches is desired, the format
would be DXR..ABC/D1+00..DXR. Without the appropriate delay you'd be
overdue one hour at all posted fixes between ABC and DXR. If ABC is served
by an ARTCC the computer will generate time updates, but that gets annoying.


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Old July 26th 05, 11:29 PM
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The "problem" is probably due to not filing a delay at the point where the
approaches are to be flown.


Thanks. I'll try that next time.

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