Completing the Non-precision approach as a Visual Approach

Bob Gardner wrote:

When you are cleared for the VOR-A you are expected to fly the
profile....fly at the MDA and not a foot lower to the missed approach point
or until you see the runway environment as defined in 91.175. When you see
the airport, you should real quick ask for a contact approach...then you can
follow ground reference and altitude is not a factor.

Ah, bull****. He had the runway in sight, descended and landed. What's
the problem?

Newps wrote:

Bob Gardner wrote:

When you are cleared for the VOR-A you are expected to fly the
profile....fly at the MDA and not a foot lower to the missed approach point
or until you see the runway environment as defined in 91.175. When you see
the airport, you should real quick ask for a contact approach...then you can
follow ground reference and altitude is not a factor.

Ah, bull****. He had the runway in sight, descended and landed. What's
the problem?

Well, for starters, he entered the pattern for a Runway, which sounds like
circle-to-land to me. There are some pretty specific referenes as to what you
can, and cannot do, in flying a circle-to-land.

Alas, you may consider those regulations to be "bull****."

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Well, for starters, he entered the pattern for a Runway, which sounds like
circle-to-land to me.


Imagine that. Circle-to-land on a VOR-A approach.



There are some pretty specific referenes as to what you
can, and cannot do, in flying a circle-to-land.


What are they?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

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Well, for starters, he entered the pattern for a Runway, which sounds like
circle-to-land to me.


Imagine that. Circle-to-land on a VOR-A approach.


There are some pretty specific referenes as to what you
can, and cannot do, in flying a circle-to-land.


What are they?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

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Well, for starters, he entered the pattern for a Runway, which sounds like
circle-to-land to me.


Imagine that. Circle-to-land on a VOR-A approach.

Your usual fine observations aside, as you well know some IAPs with
circling-only minimums are aligned exactly with a runway but don't have
straight-in minimums because of descent gradient requirements. Usually, that
type of "alpha" approach triggers the landing requirements of 91.175 rather than
the circle-to-land requirements of 91.175.

In this case, he stated he "entered the pattern."




There are some pretty specific referenes as to what you
can, and cannot do, in flying a circle-to-land.


What are they?

They are set forth in 91.175 as you well know.

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Your usual fine observations aside, as you well know some IAPs with
circling-only minimums are aligned exactly with a runway but don't have
straight-in minimums because of descent gradient requirements.


This ain't one of 'em.



They are set forth in 91.175 as you well know.


They? Hmmmm.... They, third-person plural pronoun, hmmmm...... I can find
only one reference to circle-to-land in FAR 91.175, and it doesn't apply
below the MDA.


§ 91.175 Takeoff and landing under IFR.

(e) Missed approach procedures. Each pilot operating an aircraft, except a
military aircraft of the United States, shall immediately execute an
appropriate missed approach procedure when either of the following
conditions exist:

(2) Whenever an identifiable part of the airport is not distinctly
visible
to the pilot during a circling maneuver at or above MDA, unless the
inability to see an identifiable part of the airport results only from a
normal bank of the aircraft during the circling approach.

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Bob Gardner wrote:

When you are cleared for the VOR-A you are expected to fly the
profile....fly at the MDA and not a foot lower to the missed approach
point
or until you see the runway environment as defined in 91.175. When you
see
the airport, you should real quick ask for a contact approach...then you
can
follow ground reference and altitude is not a factor.

Ah, bull****. He had the runway in sight, descended and landed. What's
the problem?

It depends on the missing information in the phrase:

I descend 166 feet and am able to remain just under the cloud deck

John, if this had actually happened, could you see the runway all the time
during that descent?

-- David Brooks

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Bob Gardner wrote:

When you are cleared for the VOR-A you are expected to fly the
profile....fly at the MDA and not a foot lower to the missed approach
point
or until you see the runway environment as defined in 91.175. When you
see
the airport, you should real quick ask for a contact approach...then
you
can
follow ground reference and altitude is not a factor.

Ah, bull****. He had the runway in sight, descended and landed. What's
the problem?

It depends on the missing information in the phrase:

I descend 166 feet and am able to remain just under the cloud deck

John, if this had actually happened, could you see the runway all the time
during that descent?


Yes i did. And then flew the pattern and landed, with the runway clearly in
sight at all times.

Thanks!
John