STAR's and SID's

I'm curious. I know pilots who make a habit of including the "NO STARs NO
SIDs" comment on the flight plan. I have flown both STARs and SIDs...what's
so bad about them?

"Hankal" wrote in message
...
What are the *real world* implications of flying into busy airspace IFR
in a
piston single/light twin..this is all assuming that you do NOT have a way
of
navigating

When I file my IFR flight plan I put into remarks NO STARS NO SIP
Hank

I'm curious. I know pilots who make a habit of including the "NO STARs NO
SIDs" comment on the flight plan. I have flown both STARs and SIDs...what's
so bad about them?

NOS used to publish the SIDs and STARs apart from the instrument approaches,
in a separate volume. A lot of pilots didn't have it, so they would put "No
SIDs no STARs" in the remarks. About 10 years ago (I think), NOS began
publishing the SIDs and STARs in the same volumes as the approaches (as NACO
does now). Some pilots who were taught to write "No SIDs no STARs" keep doing
it, often without knowing why.

Barry

the north las vegas Northtown1 departure is a pain in the ass.
you have to go out like 10 miles towards mountain, the last time I did it the
turbulence was so bad I thought it would tear my plane apart. then you turn back
in towards LAS and hopefully LAS approach will pick you up and give you vectors
out.


Brad Z wrote:

I'm curious. I know pilots who make a habit of including the "NO STARs NO
SIDs" comment on the flight plan. I have flown both STARs and SIDs...what's
so bad about them?

"Hankal" wrote in message
...
What are the *real world* implications of flying into busy airspace IFR
in a
piston single/light twin..this is all assuming that you do NOT have a way
of
navigating

When I file my IFR flight plan I put into remarks NO STARS NO SIP
Hank