Newbie holding questions

Mark Hansen wrote:



Subsection please. I googled the above and it gave me visual flight rule
references


7110.65P, Paragraph 4-6-1 c

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:36:01 -0800, wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:



Subsection please. I googled the above and it gave me visual flight rule
references


7110.65P, Paragraph 4-6-1 c

Thank you Tim,

So, from what I read, if I get from ATC, no delay, then I won't be holding
and simply proceeding on to the next fix in my route that I have been
cleared to. I won't be required to enter a holding pattern as there is no
delay.

I will keep sticking to my statement, as I have come across nothing to
contradict the fact, if I am put in a hold where I am required to fly in a
circle, enter a hold via tear drop, parallel or direct entry, there should
be an EFC issued by the air traffic controller.

Allen

A Lieberman wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:36:01 -0800, wrote:


Mark Hansen wrote:



Subsection please. I googled the above and it gave me visual flight rule
references


7110.65P, Paragraph 4-6-1 c


Thank you Tim,

So, from what I read, if I get from ATC, no delay, then I won't be holding
and simply proceeding on to the next fix in my route that I have been
cleared to. I won't be required to enter a holding pattern as there is no
delay.

I will keep sticking to my statement, as I have come across nothing to
contradict the fact, if I am put in a hold where I am required to fly in a
circle, enter a hold via tear drop, parallel or direct entry, there should
be an EFC issued by the air traffic controller.

Allen

I can think of an example in my area where LA Center uses "paper stop"
holds for handoffs to Palm Springs Approach Control because Palm Springs
can't see the arrivals on radar due to terrain until they are almost on
top of the holding fix. 90% of the time approach control pick up voice
and radar in time to cancel the hold. On occasion, things are in the
way, and the hold will then be required. Approach control at that time
will issue a formal or ad hoc EFC, such as "plan one turn in the hold."

And, so it goes. The center can't issue an EFC when it appears there
will be no delay. Yet, the paper stop is like a yellow light for a
train engineer that was red, so the engineer proceeds slowly but expects
it to turn green. Oops, it turns red and he has to start slowing down.

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7110.65P, Paragraph 4-6-1 c


Thank you Tim,

So, from what I read, if I get from ATC, no delay, then I won't be holding
and simply proceeding on to the next fix in my route that I have been
cleared to. I won't be required to enter a holding pattern as there is no
delay.


Right. Apparently you didn't bother to read that subparagraph when I
provided the reference a week ago.



I will keep sticking to my statement, as I have come across nothing to
contradict the fact, if I am put in a hold where I am required to fly in a
circle, enter a hold via tear drop, parallel or direct entry, there should
be an EFC issued by the air traffic controller.


Correct, and to my knowledge nobody has said anything contrary to that in
this thread.