Procedure Turn

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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So are you saying the turn around the hold is not legally required here?
Why not?


I said nothing at all like that. The question was; "Is Dover doing anything
contrary to 7110.65?" They aren't. The pilot was cleared via an airway and
the IAF was a VOR on that airway. That's a perfectly good clearance.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote in message
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So are you saying the turn around the hold is not legally required here?
Why not?


I said nothing at all like that. The question was; "Is Dover doing
anything
contrary to 7110.65?" They aren't. The pilot was cleared via an airway
and
the IAF was a VOR on that airway. That's a perfectly good clearance.



Ok, then I'm asking you: "Is the turn around the hold legally required
here?"

Thanks,
John

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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Ok, then I'm asking you: "Is the turn around the hold legally required
here?"


I don't think so. A procedure turn is "the maneuver prescribed when it is
necessary to reverse direction to establish an aircraft on the intermediate
approach segment or final approach course." Obviously it isn't necessary to
reverse direction in this case. Part 91 states when a procedure turn may
not be flown, it has not a word on when a procedure turn must be flown.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote in message
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Ok, then I'm asking you: "Is the turn around the hold legally required
here?"


I don't think so. A procedure turn is "the maneuver prescribed when it is
necessary to reverse direction to establish an aircraft on the
intermediate
approach segment or final approach course." Obviously it isn't necessary
to
reverse direction in this case. Part 91 states when a procedure turn may
not be flown, it has not a word on when a procedure turn must be flown.



I see what you mean, and that makes sense to me. But the sentence following
that one in AIM 5-4-8a. is "The procedure turn or hold in lieu of procedure
turn is a required maneuver." What do you suppose is meant by that? Or do
you invoke "the AIM is not regulatory" to dispatch it?

Thanks,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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I see what you mean, and that makes sense to me. But the
sentence following that one in AIM 5-4-8a. is "The procedure
turn or hold in lieu of procedure turn is a required maneuver."
What do you suppose is meant by that? Or do you invoke
"the AIM is not regulatory" to dispatch it?


The AIM states in the preface, "This publication, while not regulatory,
provides information which reflects examples of operating techniques and
procedures which may be requirements in other federal publications or
regulations." Who am I to argue with the AIM?