A couple of questions about IPC

Paul Tomblin wrote:
I've only done one approach in the last 6 months. I've let my
currency lapse, so as I read the regs I now have to do an IPC,
right?

No. If you're less than 6 months out of currency, you can go get
yourself current again by flying 6 approachs and a hold with a safety
pilot. If you let things go beyond 6 months (from the date you ran
out of IFR currency), *then* you need to do an IPC. You can elect to
do an IPC anyway.

What does an IPC consist of? Just 6 approaches and a hold, or is
there more to it? Can it be fewer than 6 approaches?

The IFR PTS lays out the details. To a reasonable approximation, it's
a repeat of your instrument checkride. In practice, what I want to
see is that you can fly a partial-panel ILS, a full-procedure GPS
approach, a hold, and still remember how to navigate without a GPS
(i.e. a VOR or LOC approach flown with just the nav radios).

On 2/9/2006 10:52 AM, Mark Hansen wrote the following:

Wait a tick ;-) Are you saying that if you're beyond the 6-month
currency, that you can fly in actual IMC and all you need is an IR-
current safety pilot - not a CFII?


Sure. The IFR-current pilot would be PIC and could legally let a
monkey handle the controls if he chose to, so why not an IA rated pilot?

On 02/09/06 09:02, Mitty wrote:

On 2/9/2006 10:52 AM, Mark Hansen wrote the following:

Wait a tick ;-) Are you saying that if you're beyond the 6-month
currency, that you can fly in actual IMC and all you need is an IR-
current safety pilot - not a CFII?


Sure. The IFR-current pilot would be PIC and could legally let a
monkey handle the controls if he chose to, so why not an IA rated pilot?

Yes, but I didn't think this 'monkey' was allowed to use the time toward
IR currency.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

The IPC now is listed as a procedure in the PTS for the
instrument rating, it is no longer just a "pick your own"
flight.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Robert Chambers" wrote in
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| The IPC can consist of whatever you want to make yourself
current. 6
| approaches, tracking VOR's and holding, which you can do
with a safety
| pilot. However since you have the CFII in the plane with
you, it could
| be something else you'd like to work on such as timed
turns or partial
| panel, along with a couple of approaches and a hold or so.
|
| The CFII is going to assess whether you are safe and
competant to fly
| IFR and signs the log book to that effect. I do an IPC
with my CFI
| whenever I haven't flown in the gauges for a while and
want to make sure
| that I haven't picked up any bad habits.
|
| Technically you don't need to do the IPC until 1 year
after you lose IFR
| currency but you don't have to do just the minimum
required to get by.
|
| Robert
|
| Paul Tomblin wrote:
| I've only done one approach in the last 6 months. I've
let my currency
| lapse, so as I read the regs I now have to do an IPC,
right? What does an
| IPC consist of? Just 6 approaches and a hold, or is
there more to it?
| Can it be fewer than 6 approaches?
|

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:23:33 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote:

On 02/09/06 09:02, Mitty wrote:

On 2/9/2006 10:52 AM, Mark Hansen wrote the following:

Wait a tick ;-) Are you saying that if you're beyond the 6-month
currency, that you can fly in actual IMC and all you need is an IR-
current safety pilot - not a CFII?


Sure. The IFR-current pilot would be PIC and could legally let a
monkey handle the controls if he chose to, so why not an IA rated pilot?

Yes, but I didn't think this 'monkey' was allowed to use the time toward
IR currency.

If you review 61.57 regarding instrument currency, you will see that the
requirements are for logging flight under actual or simulated instrument
conditions.

The requirements for logging are merely that you be sole manipulator of the
controls.

So yes, the non-current pilot can manipulate the controls and log PIC in
IMC, while the IR pilot acts as PIC, but cannot log PIC while in IMC.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

I meant to say you don't have to do 6 approaches, holds and VOR tracking
which is the requirement for currency. You do have to fly to standards
with the CFI or he/she would be remiss in signing off the IPC.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
The IPC can consist of whatever you want to make yourself current.


The IPC tasks are very strictly defined by the instrument PTS task
table.

-Robert

Mark Hansen wrote:



Actually, the IPC is required 6 months after you lose currency.


Duh, how about a year AFTER the last thing you did that kept you current
either though the (6 apps, hold, vor track) or the last IPC you did.

I mean a year after your "lack of currency" clock started ticking which
of course is 6 months before your considered no longer current to fly IFR.

On 02/09/06 11:07, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:23:33 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote:

On 02/09/06 09:02, Mitty wrote:

On 2/9/2006 10:52 AM, Mark Hansen wrote the following:

Wait a tick ;-) Are you saying that if you're beyond the 6-month
currency, that you can fly in actual IMC and all you need is an IR-
current safety pilot - not a CFII?


Sure. The IFR-current pilot would be PIC and could legally let a
monkey handle the controls if he chose to, so why not an IA rated pilot?

Yes, but I didn't think this 'monkey' was allowed to use the time toward
IR currency.

If you review 61.57 regarding instrument currency, you will see that the
requirements are for logging flight under actual or simulated instrument
conditions.

The requirements for logging are merely that you be sole manipulator of the
controls.

So yes, the non-current pilot can manipulate the controls and log PIC in
IMC, while the IR pilot acts as PIC, but cannot log PIC while in IMC.

Yes, I see that. I think I just had the wrong impression based on something
my instructor told me - and didn't question.

I won't bother with the details, as I'm convinced now that he was
wrong.

Thanks!



Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

I meant to say you don't have to do 6 approaches, holds and VOR tracking

That's true. In fact an IPC can often take less time than doing the 6
in 6 with a safety pilot. In fact, the entire instrument PTS is very
thin compared to the other PTSs. The items on the instrument PTS are
not numerous, just challenging.

-Robert, CFI

More of an FYI than a response to any particular post, but doing a
quick google on +ipc +pts, took me to some CFI's home page, with a nice
little layout of the IPC

Here's the link, if anyone is interested...

http://www.geocities.com/cfidarren/fr-ipc.htm

Best Regards,
Todd