Right seat flying

In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:
they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat.

I've seen that in insurance but not the FARs.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

Ben Jackson wrote:
In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:

they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat.


I've seen that in insurance but not the FARs.


That would be as important as the FARs in today's society.


Matt

From: Anthony Acri )
Subject: Right Seat Flying

Date: 2001-12-11 03:21:43 PST

Does anybody know if there is any regulations about flying from the
right
seat? Would like to flyi from the right seat while taking some
people up
for sightseeing. Have been flying from the right when I have been
doing my
instructors courses.

Thanks

As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

There are regulations pertaining to this, and if you are indeed doing
your instructors rating you should have gained a reasonable knowledge
of the FAR's and furthermore have an understaning of CRM.

as we are all aware, many GA aircraft are equipped with "dual"
controls and instumentation, however, depending on the aircraft the
left seat is configured as the primary control station, with
reduced/limited access from the right seat, limited further if a body
is in that seat, limited even further if it is occupied by a non
pilot.

so again, what purpose would it serve to position a non pilot in the
left seat and place yourself in the right seat, why would you want to
limit access to full control of the aircraft.

you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or
insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even
posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and
lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this
manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith.

"running with scissors" wrote in
message om...
As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

A few that come to mind...

1) For aerial photography flights in aircraft with only left opening windows
2) Returning to base with an inop PTT button on the left yoke
3) attaching a yoke mounted GPS so that it doesn't block the instruments
directly in front of you on the panel
4) Demo-ing an aircraft to a potential buyer (who may not even be rated yet)

Brad Z wrote:

A few that come to mind...

Another reason has to do with homebuilts. I have a COZY MKIV, set up
for a left side PIC. Two weeks ago, I checked out a builder who has
just finished his aircraft, will be flying from the left seat, and
wanted some experience before doing his first flight. I checked myself
out in the right seat a few days before, and then gave him 1.5 hours in
the plane in the left seat, along with 6 TO/landings.

While the main instruments and pitch trim switches are on the left,
flying the COZY from the right seat is pretty much a non-event.

--
Marc J. Zeitlin
http://marc.zeitlin.home.comcast.net/
http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright (c) 2004

"Brad Z" wrote in message news:ZMUkc.7446$_41.391899@attbi_s02...
"running with scissors" wrote in
message om...
As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

A few that come to mind...

1) For aerial photography flights in aircraft with only left opening windows
2) Returning to base with an inop PTT button on the left yoke
3) attaching a yoke mounted GPS so that it doesn't block the instruments
directly in front of you on the panel
4) Demo-ing an aircraft to a potential buyer (who may not even be rated yet)

the poster stated it was in providing a sightseeing service and
placing a non flying passenger in the right seat.

See #1 again.

"running with scissors" wrote in
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"Brad Z" wrote in message
news:ZMUkc.7446$_41.391899@attbi_s02...
"running with scissors" wrote
in
message om...
As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

A few that come to mind...

1) For aerial photography flights in aircraft with only left opening
windows
2) Returning to base with an inop PTT button on the left yoke
3) attaching a yoke mounted GPS so that it doesn't block the instruments
directly in front of you on the panel
4) Demo-ing an aircraft to a potential buyer (who may not even be rated
yet)

the poster stated it was in providing a sightseeing service and
placing a non flying passenger in the right seat.

"Brad Z" wrote in message news:OE6lc.9936$Ia6.1204345@attbi_s03...
See #1 again.

oops ! my bad.


"running with scissors" wrote in
message m...
"Brad Z" wrote in message
news:ZMUkc.7446$_41.391899@attbi_s02...
"running with scissors" wrote
in
message om...
As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

A few that come to mind...

1) For aerial photography flights in aircraft with only left opening
windows
2) Returning to base with an inop PTT button on the left yoke
3) attaching a yoke mounted GPS so that it doesn't block the instruments
directly in front of you on the panel
4) Demo-ing an aircraft to a potential buyer (who may not even be rated
yet)

the poster stated it was in providing a sightseeing service and
placing a non flying passenger in the right seat.

"Brad Z" writes:
"running with scissors" wrote

As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

A few that come to mind...

1) For aerial photography flights in aircraft with only left opening windows
2) Returning to base with an inop PTT button on the left yoke
3) attaching a yoke mounted GPS so that it doesn't block the instruments
directly in front of you on the panel
4) Demo-ing an aircraft to a potential buyer (who may not even be rated yet)

Or as happened when on a pleasure flight with my cousin --
he'd spent years as a military instructor pilot and was at
the time an airline second officer and things didn't "feel
right" from the left seat.

running with scissors wrote:

As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

There are regulations pertaining to this, and if you are indeed doing
your instructors rating you should have gained a reasonable knowledge
of the FAR's and furthermore have an understaning of CRM.

as we are all aware, many GA aircraft are equipped with "dual"
controls and instumentation, however, depending on the aircraft the
left seat is configured as the primary control station, with
reduced/limited access from the right seat, limited further if a body
is in that seat, limited even further if it is occupied by a non
pilot.

so again, what purpose would it serve to position a non pilot in the
left seat and place yourself in the right seat, why would you want to
limit access to full control of the aircraft.

you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or
insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even
posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and
lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this
manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith.

You make it sound like some incredibly dangerous activity,
but CFI's fly from the right seat all the time and are expected
to be able to take over from that seat even if the student
has gotten the plane into a spin or is in an unusual attitude
in IMC. Why the terror about flying from the right?

Reasons you might want to sit on the right include allowing
the passenger to practice flying (not loggable toward a rating
if you're not a CFI, but that may not be important to you or
the passenger), and to practice for your CFI exam.

If you don't feel competent to fly from the right or feel like
there are important instruments or controls that you don't have
access to, then you shouldn't do it. But viewing it as a "loophole"
or "unprofessional" seems really over the top.

--
David Rind