Changes in Instrument Proficiency Check Requirements

Roy Smith wrote in message ...
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"Richard Kaplan" wrote:

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I"m not sure how far back you're going. My IFR PTS is pretty old but
still includes a table of things required for a PC. I think that a lot
of CFIIs just didn't know what an IPC was.

The difference is that the prior PTS versions did not state that all the IPC
items in the table are required for an IPC; thus a reasonable interpretation
has been that 61.57(d) givet a CFII the discretion to choose among those
items.

The newest PTS now explicitly states that all IPC items in the table must be
included in an IPC.

I seem to remember there used to be wording to the effect that an
ICC/IPC needed to include a "representative sample" of the PTS checkride
tasks. I can't remember if that was in the PTS itself or part 61/91
somewhere. Or maybe it's just a faulty memory circuit?

That being said, I'm about to give my first IPC in an plane with an
approach certified GPS. I spent some time re-reading the PTS to make
sure my plan is up to snuff, and here's what I came up with for the
flight portion:


Actually, if you read the current PTS, you will notice that in the
table of tasks to be done, there is a column for IPC. Today, the PTS
spells out the IPC. You can call AOPA and hear it for yourself. Of
course you can argue the PTS is not regulatory. One guy tried to argue
that the AIM wasn't regulatory too. The NASA admin law judge didn't
seem to buy that story either. Right or wrong doesn't make any
difference, its all what the judge is going to say when you plead to
keep your ticket.

-Robert

Roy Smith wrote in message ...
I seem to remember there used to be wording to the effect that an
ICC/IPC needed to include a "representative sample" of the PTS checkride
tasks. I can't remember if that was in the PTS itself or part 61/91
somewhere. Or maybe it's just a faulty memory circuit?

Right, but the PTS was more explicit in giving a table of required
items on the IPC (this has been that way for many years). The issue is
whether those items that the PTS requires for an IPC have been
regulatory. In short, the FAA, when putting out the PTS, chose the
"representative sample" for you. The FARs never say the CFII gets to
pick.

-Robert, CFI

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message ws.com...
The FAA has just released a revised version of the instrument rating
practical test standards to become effective October 1, 2004:



http://av-info.faa.gov/data/practica...-s-8081-4d.pdf



Included in the footnotes of this new PTS is a substantial change in the
requirements for an Instrument Proficiency Check.



Currently a CFII conducting an IPC is permitted to use his discretion in
asking a pilot to demonstrate a reasonable selection of items from the PTS.
This seems reasonable in order to adjust the IPC to pilot
strengths/weaknesses which are perceived by either the pilot

My PTS that is almost 4 years old had this. I think this has always
been there, I think people just haven't noticed. You need to look at
the table that talks about what items have to be done for an airplane
instrument if you already have a rotocraft instrument. There is
another table called PC that is for IPC. It spells out the IPC pretty
easily.

-Robert, CFI

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message ws.com...
The FAA has just released a revised version of the instrument rating
practical test standards to become effective October 1, 2004:



http://av-info.faa.gov/data/practica...-s-8081-4d.pdf



Included in the footnotes of this new PTS is a substantial change in the
requirements for an Instrument Proficiency Check.


Hey, it looks like they greatly reduced the items required for an IPC.
The old IFR PTS included a lot more items on the proficiency check!
This will make IPCs go much faster.

Our local DE claims the FAA is working on a PTS standard for BFRs
right now. It will be from the private/commercial PTS. That will mean
that a commercial rated pilot will have a higher standard BFR than a
private.
-Robert

The FAA has just released a revised version of the instrument rating
practical test standards to become effective October 1, 2004:

http://av-info.faa.gov/data/practica...-s-8081-4d.pdf

Does anybody know where I can download the current instrument PTS, i.e.
the one that's effective today?

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
The FAA has just released a revised version of the instrument rating
practical test standards to become effective October 1, 2004:

http://av-info.faa.gov/data/practica...-s-8081-4d.pdf

Does anybody know where I can download the current instrument PTS, i.e.
the one that's effective today?

I have put it here
http://www.quantity-surveyor.org.uk/AC61-111A.pdf

In article ,
"S Green" wrote:

http://www.quantity-surveyor.org.uk/AC61-111A.pdf

Thanks

Roy: If your email address is legit, it should be in your inbox. If
not, email me. I have it. Enjoy!

Bill


On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:11:17 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

The FAA has just released a revised version of the instrument rating
practical test standards to become effective October 1, 2004:

http://av-info.faa.gov/data/practica...-s-8081-4d.pdf

Does anybody know where I can download the current instrument PTS, i.e.
the one that's effective today?

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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
om...
"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
ws.com...
The FAA has just released a revised version of the instrument rating
practical test standards to become effective October 1, 2004:



http://av-info.faa.gov/data/practica...-s-8081-4d.pdf



Included in the footnotes of this new PTS is a substantial change in the
requirements for an Instrument Proficiency Check.


Hey, it looks like they greatly reduced the items required for an IPC.
The old IFR PTS included a lot more items on the proficiency check!
This will make IPCs go much faster.

Our local DE claims the FAA is working on a PTS standard for BFRs
right now. It will be from the private/commercial PTS. That will mean
that a commercial rated pilot will have a higher standard BFR than a
private.
-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
om...

Hey, it looks like they greatly reduced the items required for an IPC.
The old IFR PTS included a lot more items on the proficiency check!
This will make IPCs go much faster.

No, it won't.

Previously the large list was a list from which a CFII could choose
representative items per 61.57(d).

The newest PTS has a new and explicit statement that all IPC items in the
list are required.

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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com