Useless radio transmissions

Doug wrote:
Dont use "active" at all. Here is why. A pilot approaches the pattern.
He turns his radio on. If all he hears is the other pilots are using
the "active", he doesn't know which runway is in use. And he doesn't
have to ask, if the pilots say the runway number instead of "active".


Precisely my point.

Even controllers usually don't use "taxi to the active", we're told
"taxi to runway 2"

Steve Foley wrote:
"Bela P. Havasreti" wrote in message
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Making 30+ second long position reports, 4500 feet over some
non-descript / podunk town. More annoying when the broadcaster does
so in broken english. Even more annoying when the broadcaster does
so every 5 minutes!

Even more annoying when the broadcaster neglects to mention what airport.


"Ummmm...... Cessna 1...2...3....4....5 is um......... Turning left
um............ Downwind...............
um.......................... For the ummmm...........

active runway.......


um........

Cessna um..... 1.....2......3......4......5



On 122.8 !!! =8^0

Doug makes and excellent point. The rest of you have brought up a
subject which get me too.
I would rather a pilot would err on the side of caution than to not say
anything and cause and serious upleasant situation.
Perhaps more pilots should attend some wings programs and learn the
proper techniques.
Many pilots do not use proper terminology on the radio. Years ago, I
was one of the worst on the radio. With study and proper training, I
was able to overcome my short falls.
In order, the three essentials to flying are Aviate .Navigate
Communicate.
I teach my students to think before they speak.
Address with whom you desire communication.
Announce who you are.
Where you are.
What you want.
When you are at an uncontrolled airport, Announce the name of the
airport at the beginning and also at the end of your transmission.
These are the traditional and expected patter techniques.
For more information on the subject, read Section 2 Radio
Communications Phraseology and Techniques in the Aeronautical
Information Manual.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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And if more than one are in use, how does anyone know which one is
pertinent?


I'd consider them all pertinent, especially since they probably intersect.

Right, so for the purpose of this thread, "clear the active" isn't very
descriptive, while "clear two-seven" (or whatever) is.

-jav

Bela P. Havasreti wrote:

This happens at an airport near me all the time (just happens to
be an ex-WW2 air base). When the wind is blowing out of the
NW, those who park their airplanes on the east side of the
airport typically use runway 34. Those who park on the SW
side of the airport use runway 29 (I've seen both runways being
used all day long).

Same with my home base.

9-27 is the long one, 18-36 is the other . 36 starts right next to the
gas pumps and 27 is at the other end of the parking area. Most folks
will use 9-27, even with a decent crosswind, for departure but not
landing, while others will land directly into the wind, or depart
directly from the FBO area. 18 requires back taxiing, so it's rarely
used for departure, except by green students. There's no instrument
approach or visual aids on 18-36, further adding to it's use with
crosswinds.

"Active" can narrow it down to 2 or 3 of the 4! G

Or the jet jockey jargon....

SlowPoke FBO SuperFast Jet N66666
SlowPoke FBO this is SuperFast Jet N66666
SlowPoke FBO this is SuperFast Jet N66666 how do you read?
SlowPoke FBO this is SuperFast Jet N66666, co you copy SuperFast Jet N66666?

Go ahead SuperFast Jet N66666

Hey there SlowPoke FBO, howyadoin?, this is SuperFast Jet N66666, we're
about 50 miles out and will be there in about 10 minutes, we just wanted to
let you know that we would be staying with ya a couple of days.

(who freaking cares!)

Roger SuperFast Jet N66666 we'll keep the light on.

then a few minutes later it starts all over again with at 20 miles out or 10
miles out with Any traffic please watch out, or requests for phone calls, do
you have a crew car, ect....

Hello? you're gonna land in 3 freaking minutes! Please hold your questions
at least as long as you can hold your bladder! You could have made a phone
call before you took off!

Our local CTAF is 122.7 and there is another airport over 100 miles away
also using 122.7 but has a lot of corporate jet traffic. The jet guys at
that airport are pitiful. They start calling the FBO from ridiculous
distances and altitudes with the dumbest comments and requests. Many
absolutely do not matter. Is so and so working the desk? Great, I really
like her.... What's for dinner? We won't need any fuel, we'll catch it
tomorrow.

It all leaves a very bad impression upon a student that's trying to get
comfortable with what he IS supposed to say.

Jim

On CTAF:
Announcing that you're "Clear of the active". You might think anyone
who is waiting to take off can *see* when you're clear. The only
exception I can think of is a (severely) crowned runway where the
other end can't be seen from the departure end.

Why would anyone say "clear of the active"?
Is it a secret which runway you used?
Do you want to withhold information from arriving pilots?

Say clearly and boldy:
"Podunk Traffic, Skylane 6 Delta Mike is clear of two eight, Podunk".

"Area traffic, please advise" just slays me!
Do you think a pilot needs to be requested to talk?
How is "area traffic" different from "traffic"?????#$%

Just give YOUR information. If another pilot thinks there may
be a conflict, that other pilot will give THEIR information.
I have a power-point presentation that I give at FAA Wings
seminars in an attempt to clear this "lazy mouth and lazy
brain" crap off the air.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!"
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Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jeratfrii.com http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 240 Young Eagles!

wrote:

On CTAF:
Announcing that you're "Clear of the active". You might think anyone
who is waiting to take off can *see* when you're clear. The only
exception I can think of is a (severely) crowned runway where the
other end can't be seen from the departure end.



Why would anyone say "clear of the active"?
Is it a secret which runway you used?
Do you want to withhold information from arriving pilots?

Say clearly and boldy:
"Podunk Traffic, Skylane 6 Delta Mike is clear of two eight, Podunk".

"Area traffic, please advise" just slays me!
Do you think a pilot needs to be requested to talk?
How is "area traffic" different from "traffic"?????#$%

Just give YOUR information. If another pilot thinks there may
be a conflict, that other pilot will give THEIR information.
I have a power-point presentation that I give at FAA Wings
seminars in an attempt to clear this "lazy mouth and lazy
brain" crap off the air.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!"


Would you care to share the presentation. I would like to review it.
Many of the comments I have seen I do not like either and I have heard them.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Fair enough. But how is the term "active" useful to the other pilots
using the uncontrolled airport, vs. the actual runway identifier?


It's not, and I didn't say it was.

"Javier" wrote in message
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Right, so for the purpose of this thread, "clear the active" isn't very
descriptive, while "clear two-seven" (or whatever) is.


Right.