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OtisWinslow wrote:
I find ADDS the most useful. I also use DUATS because I need a legal
briefing.

Legal? Maybe you mean that you think there is an audit trail, so if necessary
you could prove that you actually got a briefing. I think that too, but I'm not
sure why. I couldn't find anything on the DUAT providers' web sites that says
they provide that service (audit trail).

In answer to the OP's question:
I like to start with a big picture like from http://www.weather.com, then I go
to http://www.aopa.org/membrs/wx and look at their graphics products, then to
http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov to poke around, then
http://www.enflight.com for DUAT access. I've grown accustomed to their
presentation of the DUAT data and I like it.

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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OtisWinslow wrote:
I find ADDS the most useful. I also use DUATS because I need a legal
briefing.

Legal? Maybe you mean that you think there is an audit trail, so if
necessary you could prove that you actually got a briefing. I think that
too, but I'm not sure why. I couldn't find anything on the DUAT providers'
web sites that says they provide that service (audit trail).


Isn't the "session number" and the time/date information that's (usually) in
the upper left hand side of the screen the way in which either you and/or
the FAA can prove that you used DUATS?

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL

What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:26:51 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
...
OtisWinslow wrote:
I find ADDS the most useful. I also use DUATS because I need a legal
briefing.

Legal? Maybe you mean that you think there is an audit trail, so if
necessary you could prove that you actually got a briefing. I think that
too, but I'm not sure why. I couldn't find anything on the DUAT providers'
web sites that says they provide that service (audit trail).


Isn't the "session number" and the time/date information that's (usually) in
the upper left hand side of the screen the way in which either you and/or
the FAA can prove that you used DUATS?

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL

wrote:

What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?

AFSS or DUATS. It's a standard weather briefing.

Newps wrote:


wrote:

What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?


AFSS or DUATS. It's a standard weather briefing.


That's no less or more legal than anything else.

You're screwed if you don't get all the appropriate information.
The fact that a government or government-contracted provider was
contacted and they failed to provide the information will not
save your hide in an enforcement action.

If we're talking weather DUAT/FSS isn't more enlightened than
many other outlets. Where do you think the FSS gets it's weather
from? (I'll give you a hint, it's not another government agency).

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:



wrote:

What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?



AFSS or DUATS. It's a standard weather briefing.


That's no less or more legal than anything else.

I remember the FAA saying some other outlets were now legal, don't
recall what they are.


You're screwed if you don't get all the appropriate information.
The fact that a government or government-contracted provider was
contacted and they failed to provide the information will not
save your hide in an enforcement action.

What they give you is proof. Having said that I only get a provable
briefing when I'm on the road and away from home. 95% of my flying I
simply look out the window. I will look at the TAF's on NOAA.gov the
night before but that's about it. We don't have TFR's here except for
fires and if the Prez is going to show up I'll know it several days
before the press does. If a runway is closed I hope they put X's on the
runway like they're required to.



If we're talking weather DUAT/FSS isn't more enlightened than
many other outlets. Where do you think the FSS gets it's weather
from? (I'll give you a hint, it's not another government agency).

I use NOAA because I like how it's presented. I occasionally use ADDS
for a cross country because I like the JAVA app. I use the Intellicast
surface analysis chart and radar loops. I use a Unisys VFR/MVFR chart.

Newps wrote:

I remember the FAA saying some other outlets were now legal, don't
recall what they are.

To my knowledge no such assertion has ever been made by the FAA.
Noncommercial operators have always been free to do what they thought
was prudent. Commercial operators must follow their manual/opspec.


What they give you is proof. Having said that I only get a provable
briefing when I'm on the road and away from home. 95% of my flying I
simply look out the window. I will look at the TAF's on NOAA.gov the
night before but that's about it. We don't have TFR's here except for
fires and if the Prez is going to show up I'll know it several days
before the press does. If a runway is closed I hope they put X's on the
runway like they're required to.

What proof does this give you? I'll reiterate what I said. Even
if you call the FSS and they DO NOT give you the TFR info, that will
not save your ass in an enforcement action.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
....snip...
Where do you think the FSS gets it's weather
from? (I'll give you a hint, it's not another government agency).

Okay, I'll bite.

I would have said http://aviationweather.gov/

Is that not a government agency???

Icebound wrote:


Okay, I'll bite.

I would have said http://aviationweather.gov/

Is that not a government agency???


Kavouras was the provider, but I think they switched to
someone else.

Well .. why does it say on the DUATS FAQ that it is. They lying? They're
paid
by the FAA. I would contend that having a DUATS briefing would sure go
a long way to saving your hide, but the FAA can do anything they want with
you if you bust a reg. My choice is to have the briefing on my side.

We're required to make ourselves aware of all available information relevant
to a flight. I look at ADDS, print a Duats briefing, check NOTAMS, check
the graphical TFRs, talk to Center and Flight Watch along the way. So far
that's kept me pretty aware
of all the things that might pop up.

So I'm not sure, Ron, where you're going with this. You're telling us all
the
things we've been taught are crap and we'll just get busted anyway. With
all your insight .. I'd sure like to have you list what you think each and
everyone
of us should do before we fly so we'll be totally legal.



"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
Newps wrote:


That's no less or more legal than anything else.

You're screwed if you don't get all the appropriate information.
The fact that a government or government-contracted provider was
contacted and they failed to provide the information will not
save your hide in an enforcement action.