Favorite Av Weather sites

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:



wrote:

What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?



AFSS or DUATS. It's a standard weather briefing.


That's no less or more legal than anything else.

I remember the FAA saying some other outlets were now legal, don't
recall what they are.


You're screwed if you don't get all the appropriate information.
The fact that a government or government-contracted provider was
contacted and they failed to provide the information will not
save your hide in an enforcement action.

What they give you is proof. Having said that I only get a provable
briefing when I'm on the road and away from home. 95% of my flying I
simply look out the window. I will look at the TAF's on NOAA.gov the
night before but that's about it. We don't have TFR's here except for
fires and if the Prez is going to show up I'll know it several days
before the press does. If a runway is closed I hope they put X's on the
runway like they're required to.



If we're talking weather DUAT/FSS isn't more enlightened than
many other outlets. Where do you think the FSS gets it's weather
from? (I'll give you a hint, it's not another government agency).

I use NOAA because I like how it's presented. I occasionally use ADDS
for a cross country because I like the JAVA app. I use the Intellicast
surface analysis chart and radar loops. I use a Unisys VFR/MVFR chart.

Newps wrote:

I remember the FAA saying some other outlets were now legal, don't
recall what they are.

To my knowledge no such assertion has ever been made by the FAA.
Noncommercial operators have always been free to do what they thought
was prudent. Commercial operators must follow their manual/opspec.


What they give you is proof. Having said that I only get a provable
briefing when I'm on the road and away from home. 95% of my flying I
simply look out the window. I will look at the TAF's on NOAA.gov the
night before but that's about it. We don't have TFR's here except for
fires and if the Prez is going to show up I'll know it several days
before the press does. If a runway is closed I hope they put X's on the
runway like they're required to.

What proof does this give you? I'll reiterate what I said. Even
if you call the FSS and they DO NOT give you the TFR info, that will
not save your ass in an enforcement action.

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:

I remember the FAA saying some other outlets were now legal, don't
recall what they are.


To my knowledge no such assertion has ever been made by the FAA.

There are websites that the FAA said are legal. The problem is you'd
have to print them out to prove you were there. Nobody's going to do that.



What proof does this give you? I'll reiterate what I said. Even
if you call the FSS and they DO NOT give you the TFR info, that will
not save your ass in an enforcement action.

It does if you ask and they fail to give you the info. That is fairly
common here with fires. These TFR's pop up, expand and move with some
regularity. There's always someone flying thru where they shouldn't.
But if the pilot asked AFSS about TFR's and they were not given the
proper info they are off the hook. Same goes for if I tell a pilot the
wrong info. That's on me, not on the pilot. That has also happened.

It does if you ask and they fail to give you the info. That is fairly
common here with fires. These TFR's pop up, expand and move with some
regularity. There's always someone flying thru where they shouldn't. But
if the pilot asked AFSS about TFR's and they were not given the proper
info they are off the hook. Same goes for if I tell a pilot the wrong
info. That's on me, not on the pilot. That has also happened.

Not the way things work on this side of the country.

Ron Natalie wrote:

It does if you ask and they fail to give you the info. That is fairly
common here with fires. These TFR's pop up, expand and move with some
regularity. There's always someone flying thru where they shouldn't.
But if the pilot asked AFSS about TFR's and they were not given the
proper info they are off the hook. Same goes for if I tell a pilot
the wrong info. That's on me, not on the pilot. That has also happened.


Not the way things work on this side of the country.


So you have these problems AND you're a blue state? My condolences.

Newps wrote:


Ron Natalie wrote:


It does if you ask and they fail to give you the info. That is
fairly common here with fires. These TFR's pop up, expand and move
with some regularity. There's always someone flying thru where they
shouldn't. But if the pilot asked AFSS about TFR's and they were not
given the proper info they are off the hook. Same goes for if I tell
a pilot the wrong info. That's on me, not on the pilot. That has
also happened.



Not the way things work on this side of the country.



So you have these problems AND you're a blue state? My condolences.

Nope, I'm in a RED state. And it's the facist policies of the RED
administration that's causing the problems.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

It does if you ask and they fail to give you the info. That is fairly
common here with fires. These TFR's pop up, expand and move with some
regularity. There's always someone flying thru where they shouldn't. But
if the pilot asked AFSS about TFR's and they were not given the proper
info they are off the hook. Same goes for if I tell a pilot the wrong
info. That's on me, not on the pilot. That has also happened.

Not the way things work on this side of the country.

Really? Is there any documented case of a successful enforcement action
against a pilot who violated a TFR because a briefer failed to mention the
TFR when asked?

Thanks,
Gary