more bitching about the IFR written - CDI left/right versus north/south/etc

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:38:45 GMT, "Hilton"
wrote:

I'll bite. What is a p-t-d entry? Parallel, Teardrop, Direct??? So it's
now one entry? Or are you saying you can go fly holds and enter any which
way you want? If so, you'll end up doing one of these (or some version
thereof) anyway.


I'm saying exactly that. The only requirement is to stay within
holding airspace.

The FAA finally wised up a few years back, and removed the requirement
from the PTS. Nevertheless, it remains a part of the written, while
knowledge of important things like obstaccle departure procedures
remains ignored on both the written and the practical test, and lives
are no doubt lost as a result. It's idiotic.

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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:38:45 GMT, "Hilton"
wrote:

I'll bite. What is a p-t-d entry? Parallel, Teardrop, Direct??? So
it's
now one entry? Or are you saying you can go fly holds and enter any
which
way you want? If so, you'll end up doing one of these (or some version
thereof) anyway.


I'm saying exactly that. The only requirement is to stay within
holding airspace.

The FAA finally wised up a few years back, and removed the requirement
from the PTS. Nevertheless, it remains a part of the written

It also remains a requirement on most FAA approved part 141 syllabi, so the
entries have to be taught to competency whether they are part of the PTS or
not. The standard entries do guarantee that you will remain in the protected
holding airspace and are recommended in AIM, the FAA Instrument Flying
Handbook, and the FAA Instrument Procedures Handbook, all of which is where
the FAA draws its test questions from. The operations manuals for FAA
approved commercial IFR operators also often specify what holding pattern
entries the operator's pilots will use. Since these are the standard methods
and many students will be required by their employers to use them, there is
little point in teaching anything else.

If you want to do something else, of course, you are perfectly free to do
so.

C J Campbell wrote:
The operations manuals for FAA approved commercial IFR operators
also often specify what holding pattern entries the operator's
pilots will use. Since these are the standard methods and many
students will be required by their employers to use them, there is
little point in teaching anything else.

I don't see anything wrong with teaching or learning them, but I can
also see how it's much more important for a commercial pilot flying
high performance aircraft than for a spam can driver.

If you're holding at 210 kts (and maybe limited to less than standard
rate turns by your FD), you're going to eat up a lot of sky. The
correct entry may be the only thing keeping you from blowing out of
the protected area. This is much less likely to be an issue at 90
kts.