Flight Following question

"Stan Prevost" wrote in
:
Or you can just file an ATC flight plan
for VFR flight following. That automatically puts you into the
system.

Filing VFR flight plan DOES NOT put you in the system. It's only for
search and rescue, nothing more.

You don't activate the flight plan with ATC, but with FSS on a VFR flight
plan.

Allen

"A Lieberma" wrote in message
. 18

Or you can just file an ATC flight plan
for VFR flight following. That automatically puts you into the
system.

Filing VFR flight plan DOES NOT put you in the system. It's only for
search and rescue, nothing more.

You don't activate the flight plan with ATC, but with FSS on a VFR
flight plan.

You're both right.

A traditional VFR flight plan is as you describe, but it is also possible to
file a flight plan for VFR flight in the ATC system. In fact, this is
exactly what happens for every VFR flight in the Washington DC ADIZ.

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On 2006-12-10, A Lieberma wrote:
"Stan Prevost" wrote in
:
Or you can just file an ATC flight plan
for VFR flight following. That automatically puts you into the
system.

Filing VFR flight plan DOES NOT put you in the system. It's only for
search and rescue, nothing more.

You don't activate the flight plan with ATC, but with FSS on a VFR flight
plan.

Allen

He did not say to file a VFR flight plan, he said an ATC flight plan for VFR
flight following - you check the IFR box, put VFR or VFR/altitude in the
altitude box.

-Milen

-----Original Message-----
From: Milen Lazarov ]
Posted At: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:23 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Flight Following question
Subject: Flight Following question

....
He did not say to file a VFR flight plan, he said an ATC flight plan
for
VFR
flight following - you check the IFR box, put VFR or VFR/altitude in
the
altitude box.

-Milen

Do you have any quick references for that Milen? I've never heard of an
IFR flight plan with "VFR" in the enroute altitude box. Or are you
referring to filing VFR-on-top? If so, that's a lot different than just
requesting flight following for VFR flights.

"Jim Carter" wrote in news:000601c71c5c$d669dee0$4b01a8c0@omnibook6100:

Do you have any quick references for that Milen? I've never heard of an
IFR flight plan with "VFR" in the enroute altitude box. Or are you
referring to filing VFR-on-top? If so, that's a lot different than just
requesting flight following for VFR flights.

Hey Jim,

Did a little research myself and found the following

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&cd=13

See 1155 A. Flight planning.

Sounds to me that what he is doing is fudging the system by filing an IFR flight plan
and annotating it with VFR references in the remarks.

I know when you select the IFR box, it does generate a flight strip to ATC, and that
would be an IFR filing naturally.

Selecting VFR does not generate a flight strip to ATC, nor is a filing with ATC to obtain an
ATC clearance.

To my knowledge, you don't get clearances on VFR operations EXCEPT for class B entry, take offs and landings.

Canada on the other hand does use ATC flight plan for VFR operations. See

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:... ct=clnk&cd=1

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:



Sounds to me that what he is doing is fudging the system by filing an IFR flight plan
and annotating it with VFR references in the remarks.


No, he puts "VFR" into the altitude box, not in the remarks.




I know when you select the IFR box, it does generate a flight strip to ATC, and that
would be an IFR filing naturally.

Selecting VFR does not generate a flight strip to ATC,


Putting VFR in the altitude box does generate a strip to ATC, 30 minutes
prior to the P time.

Newps wrote in
:

Putting VFR in the altitude box does generate a strip to ATC, 30
minutes prior to the P time.

But he is SELECTING in box 1.type IFR. I was always told that if you
select VFR in box 1, no strip is generated to ATC, thus an IFR filing.

Altutude is box 7 on the FAA flight plan.

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:
Newps wrote in
:


Putting VFR in the altitude box does generate a strip to ATC, 30
minutes prior to the P time.


But he is SELECTING in box 1.type IFR.

Irrelavant for ATC. The altitude box takes precedence.


I was always told that if you
select VFR in box 1, no strip is generated to ATC, thus an IFR filing.

That's true. It's a routing question. We are a regional cargo hub for
UPS and DHL. We have lots of small aircraft running cargo. Twin
Cessnas, Barons, Beech 99's and 1900's, Metroliners, etc. They all have
prefiled IFR flight plans that spit out the same time every day. They
always go VFR when they can, which is about 90% of the time. For those
who's ops specs require flight following we simply change the altitude
on their IFR strip to a VFR one. Change 120 to VFR/125. The altitude
box holds 7 characters. When he tags up on the radar there is now a V
on the tag indicating he is VFR.



Altutude is box 7 on the FAA flight plan.

Same as on the FAA computer controllers use.

As Milen says, check IFR (it is not an IFR flight plan, that is just a
routing flag for ATC vs FSS), put VFR or VFR/120 for 12,000 feet or whatever
your filed altitude is. I also add VFR Flight Following in Remarks to
clarify my intent for some controllers who are not very familiar with the
practice. I recommend only doing this through DUAT/S, as most FSS personnel
are unfamiliar with it.

Stan


"Jim Carter" wrote in message
news:000601c71c5c$d669dee0$4b01a8c0@omnibook6100.. .


-----Original Message-----
From: Milen Lazarov ]
Posted At: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:23 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Flight Following question
Subject: Flight Following question

...
He did not say to file a VFR flight plan, he said an ATC flight plan
for
VFR
flight following - you check the IFR box, put VFR or VFR/altitude in
the
altitude box.

-Milen

Do you have any quick references for that Milen? I've never heard of an
IFR flight plan with "VFR" in the enroute altitude box. Or are you
referring to filing VFR-on-top? If so, that's a lot different than just
requesting flight following for VFR flights.

"Stan Prevost" wrote in
:

As Milen says, check IFR (it is not an IFR flight plan,

Call it what you want, but the form on top says FAA Flight plan.

1.Type is either VFR or IFR.

If you select IFR, you are filing a IFR flight plan. No grey zone about
it, all you are doing is fudging the system to get a plan routed to ATC.

VFR flight plans are not routed to ATC period.

Allen