Implications of.....keeping the speed up

Could you explain? I'm talking ifr here, and imc. Using my example,
you're at 6000 feet msl over the appalachians. How is 2500 AGL easy
to eyeball?

I suppose under those circumstances, it would be challenging. However,
the 2500 foot rule only applies within four miles of a class C or D
airport. That would place you right in the traffic pattern, and it's
unlikely that ATC would route you through there unless you are actually
on an approach, at which point you are unlikely to want to speed, and
will have your approach plates handy as a reference.

I suppose you could be landing at Danbury in the fog in an F-15, and be
told to keep your speed up as the Space Shuttle is behind you. And in
that case, you are "authorized by ATC", which is part of that particular
regulation, so you can hustle your buns.

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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:49:27 GMT, Jose
wrote:

Could you explain? I'm talking ifr here, and imc. Using my example,
you're at 6000 feet msl over the appalachians. How is 2500 AGL easy
to eyeball?

I suppose under those circumstances, it would be challenging. However,
the 2500 foot rule only applies within four miles of a class C or D
airport. That would place you right in the traffic pattern, and it's
unlikely that ATC would route you through there


It might be unlikely, but it is still my responsibility to ensure this
speed restriction, not atc's. Am I misinformed?
Stan

It might be unlikely, but it is still my responsibility to ensure this
speed restriction, not atc's. Am I misinformed?

Regarding the 2500 foot rule, it's prefaced by something like "unless
authorized or required by ATC...". If ATC says to keep your speed up, I
would say that counts as an authorization to keep your speed up.

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Jose wrote:
It might be unlikely, but it is still my responsibility to ensure this
speed restriction, not atc's. Am I misinformed?


Regarding the 2500 foot rule, it's prefaced by something like "unless
authorized or required by ATC...". If ATC says to keep your speed up, I
would say that counts as an authorization to keep your speed up.


Nope. ATC does not overide the FAR's. The pilot is always responsible
for not busting the speed limit.

Nope. ATC does not overide the FAR's.

The FAR's what? (you probably meant plural, not posessive)

My statement doesn't require ATC to "override" the FARs. Rather, ATC's
authority to grant permission to fly at higher speed (in the case in
question) is explicitly written =into= the FARs. At least the way I
read them. I'm looking at 91.117(b), and the words "by ATC".

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Jose wrote:
Nope. ATC does not overide the FAR's.


The FAR's what? (you probably meant plural, not posessive)

My statement doesn't require ATC to "override" the FARs. Rather, ATC's
authority to grant permission to fly at higher speed (in the case in
question) is explicitly written =into= the FARs. At least the way I
read them. I'm looking at 91.117(b), and the words "by ATC".

Jose

You are correct. "Unless authorize by ATC" is authority from the
Administrator for ATC to supercede whatever the relevant FAR says.

When it says "Unless otherwise authorized by the Adminstrator" then ATC
is out of the picture.