Implications of.....keeping the speed up

G. Sylvester writes:

First off, I'm a (very) light a/c IFR pilot. But having listened to
Channel 9 on UA for 135000 miles this past year ...

Is that like spending hundreds of hours with a simulator?

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Mxsmanic writes:

G. Sylvester writes:

First off, I'm a (very) light a/c IFR pilot. But having listened to
Channel 9 on UA for 135000 miles this past year ...

Is that like spending hundreds of hours with a simulator?

No, it takes hundreds of hours flying an actual plane to get to be an IFR
pilot. Having simulator experience helps a person understand the
environment, but it's not the same as having actually had a scary learning
experience in real life. Guaranteed that THOSE are the lessons you learn
from.

-Jack

Jack Cunniff wrote:

No, it takes hundreds of hours flying an actual plane to get to be an IFR
pilot. Having simulator experience helps a person understand the
environment, but it's not the same as having actually had a scary learning
experience in real life. Guaranteed that THOSE are the lessons you learn
from.

-Jack

Where did you get that idea?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:51:03 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:

Jack Cunniff wrote:

No, it takes hundreds of hours flying an actual plane to get to be an IFR
pilot. Having simulator experience helps a person understand the
environment, but it's not the same as having actually had a scary learning
experience in real life. Guaranteed that THOSE are the lessons you learn
from.

-Jack

Where did you get that idea?

Sounds like the voice of experience to me:-))
Been there and done that.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:51:03 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:


Jack Cunniff wrote:

No, it takes hundreds of hours flying an actual plane to get to be an IFR
pilot. Having simulator experience helps a person understand the
environment, but it's not the same as having actually had a scary learning
experience in real life. Guaranteed that THOSE are the lessons you learn
from.

-Jack

Where did you get that idea?


Sounds like the voice of experience to me:-))
Been there and done that.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

What is the regulation that requires "hundreds of hours flying" to
obtain an instrument rating?

What is the regulation that requires "hundreds of hours flying" to obtain
an instrument rating?

at least 250 hours
Federal Air Regulation 61.129 a (single engine) and b (multi engine)
http://tinyurl.com/yk44ov
or, in its long form
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text.... 1.1.2.6.1.2

Ed Mulroy wrote:
What is the regulation that requires "hundreds of hours flying" to obtain
an instrument rating?


at least 250 hours
Federal Air Regulation 61.129 a (single engine) and b (multi engine)
http://tinyurl.com/yk44ov
or, in its long form
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text.... 1.1.2.6.1.2



That is the section for a commercial certificate. The instrument rating
requirements are in 61.65. So where is the requirement for "hundreds of
flying hours" to obtain an instrument rating?

Matt

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:25:46 -0500, "Ed Mulroy"
wrote:

What is the regulation that requires "hundreds of hours flying" to obtain
an instrument rating?

at least 250 hours
Federal Air Regulation 61.129 a (single engine) and b (multi engine)
http://tinyurl.com/yk44ov
or, in its long form
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text.... 1.1.2.6.1.2


You seem to be confusing the Instrument requirement with the Commercial
requirement. The IR does not need the 250 hours required for the Commercial
(at least in the U.S.)

You might want to go back and read the proper section. :-)
-Jay-

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:02:01 -0500, Roger
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:51:03 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:

Jack Cunniff wrote:

No, it takes hundreds of hours flying an actual plane to get to be an IFR
pilot. Having simulator experience helps a person understand the
environment, but it's not the same as having actually had a scary learning
experience in real life. Guaranteed that THOSE are the lessons you learn
from.

-Jack

Where did you get that idea?

Sounds like the voice of experience to me:-))
Been there and done that.


I thought you were referring to the experience and THOSE lessons, not
the hundreds of hours. Certainly the rating can be earned with less
than 200 hours so hundreds (plural) would be in excess of the
requirements. Most are going to have more than that, but it's not a
minimum requirement.

61.65.d.1,2.
As to required experience you must first obtain the PPL which requires
a minimum of 40 hours combined dual and solo. I believe we've had
three at our airport do it in 40 in recent years (I wasn't one) Then
for the Instrument the minimum is 50 hours cross country as PIC , 40
hours of actual or simulated operation that includes at least 15 hours
dual instruction and 3 hours dual instruction within 60 days of the
PTS.

I don't see as it's possible in less than about 120 hours. HOWEVER I
think it is possible to do in under 100 hours of actual flight time in
a part 142 school. Any one care to do the math figuring the absolute
minimums in which an instrument rating could be earned?

In the real world it's a very rare individual who comes any where near
these figures, but that was not the question.

Approved sim time
61.65.e
30 hours for a part 142 school
or 20 hours if not part 142.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:


In the real world it's a very rare individual who comes any where near
these figures, but that was not the question.


When I was a lad, I spent my last year as an elisted guy in the USAF. I
had unlimited access to an F-100 flight simulator and a Link C-11
(similar to a T-33 with VOR, ME, RMI, ILS, ADF). I also finished my
private pilot ticket midway during that year.

At the end of the year I started instrument training in a Piper
Tri-Pacer. It was like shooting ducks in barrel, age 20 and all that
fast simulator time.

I was not anyone special. I am sure there are young enlisted boys and
girls who have simulator access like I did and who are training at an
Air Force aero club. They all probably ace the IR in no time at all.