Who plays golf at Nellis?

Subject: Who plays golf at Nellis?
From: Jughead
Date: 7/20/03 11:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: Xns93BEEE1C74D0FInsaneZane

Wasn't Nellis far from any inhabited or even developed areas at one time?
I guess that's even more reason to tell those spoiled and swank golfers
to **** off and stop complaining about the jets.

I think they should close every golf course on every military base and use the
money for greater family allowances for enlisted men. It's not right to have
men defending our country living on food stamps.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Services/MWR are no longer funded by military budget. This occured sometime
in the late 80's while my father was in. All services are now
non-appropriated funds and must be self sufficient. I'm not sure if this is
each independent facility or just that the base services program has to be
profitable. That's why I'm not paying more for a meal at the Enlisted club
than I would for a number one from Burger King.

SSgt V
RAF Lakenheath, UK


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Who plays golf at Nellis?
From: Jughead
Date: 7/20/03 11:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: Xns93BEEE1C74D0FInsaneZane

Wasn't Nellis far from any inhabited or even developed areas at one time?
I guess that's even more reason to tell those spoiled and swank golfers
to **** off and stop complaining about the jets.

I think they should close every golf course on every military base and
use the
money for greater family allowances for enlisted men. It's not right to
have
men defending our country living on food stamps.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

I think they should close every golf course on every military base and use the
money for greater family allowances for enlisted men.

Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-)

"S. Sampson" wrote in message ...
"ArtKramr" wrote

I think they should close every golf course on every military base and use the
money for greater family allowances for enlisted men.

Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-)

Back in the mid 70s I had to respond to a complaint by a retired USAF
golfer who claimed that a B-52 had flown over him below 500 feet near
Carswell AFB, TX. The GCA tapes showed the BUFF at 1,500 feet.

Gene Myers

(buf3) wrote:

"S. Sampson" wrote in message ...
"ArtKramr" wrote

I think they should close every golf course on every military base and use the
money for greater family allowances for enlisted men.

Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-)

Back in the mid 70s I had to respond to a complaint by a retired USAF
golfer who claimed that a B-52 had flown over him below 500 feet near
Carswell AFB, TX. The GCA tapes showed the BUFF at 1,500 feet.

Gene Myers

Jeez...he musta been a tall sumbitch...
--

-Gord.

"S. Sampson" wrote:

"ArtKramr" wrote

I think they should close every golf course on every military base and use the
money for greater family allowances for enlisted men.

Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-)

Shack!

At least that's true for first term enlisted. Mid and senior NCO's are
certainly reasonably compensated today. It's not a career to get rich,
but most folks don't enter the military for that reason.

There was a time when you couldn't be married without commander
approval below the rank of E-4. That makes sense. Why would you need
food stamps if you're provided clothing, live in the barracks/dorm,
and have a meal card??


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

Ed, suggesting enlisteds of any rank shouldn't get married without making a
similar statement about officers shows a bit of a bias. There was a time when
most officers thought of enlisteds as lesser beings (witness the periodic
letters to the Navy, Army and Air Force times where officers would write in
suggesting exactly that) and therefore should be treated differently. An
example of this was the "random" urinalysis for drug screening in the mid 70s
where the only people tested were enlisted.

My thoughts are no one should get married, let alone have children, unless they
are financially capable. This applies to officers and enlisteds as well as any
other segement of society.

The solution to the problem is to pay servicemen adequately and not deny people
their rights based soley on rank.

I would agree a large portion of first term enlisteds need some growing up to
do before marriage, but that applies also to WO 1and 2 as well as O-1,2 and 3.

Please try to show a little more respect for the people who could be trusted to
service your ejection seat but not to have a family.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-)

Shack!

At least that's true for first term enlisted. Mid and senior NCO's are
certainly reasonably compensated today. It's not a career to get rich,
but most folks don't enter the military for that reason.

There was a time when you couldn't be married without commander
approval below the rank of E-4. That makes sense. Why would you need
food stamps if you're provided clothing, live in the barracks/dorm,
and have a meal card??


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

"B2431" wrote in message

Ed, suggesting enlisteds of any rank shouldn't get married without
making a similar statement about officers shows a bit of a bias.

The equivalent sentiment once existed for officers as well, summed up as
follows:

"Lieutenants should not marry, Captains may marry, Majors should
marry, Colonels must marry."

This specific version I believe referred to the British Army, but the
sentiment was not unheard in the US either.

--
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-)


Senior NCOs and junior enlisted are equally capable of messing up
their marriages. I still remember one of my E-2s in Korea coming
to me for advice because his wife and baby were due in a couple of
days (on an unaccompanied tour!), while he was in the middle of a
two-week VD restriction.

And I was in the orderly room when an E-6's wife called after curfew,
wanting to speak with him. Unfortunately, he was down range at his
yobo's place for the night. I told her that I didn't know where he
was (technically true) but that I'd have him call her.

Okay, so an E-6 isn't a senior NCO. We had an E-7 retire and a month
or so later came through to tell us about his new job as a courier and
how he was staying with his yobo. That's the last we saw of him, but
about a week later we got a letter from his wife in CONUS wanting to
know where he was and why she had to move out of on-post housing. That
was the first she knew about his retirement.

The officers were for the most part less messy. Or at least more
discreet.

Sigh.

"Ed Rasimus" wrote
"S. Sampson" wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote

I think they should close every golf course on every military base and use the
money for greater family allowances for enlisted men.

Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-)

Shack!

At least that's true for first term enlisted. Mid and senior NCO's are
certainly reasonably compensated today. It's not a career to get rich,
but most folks don't enter the military for that reason.

There was a time when you couldn't be married without commander
approval below the rank of E-4. That makes sense. Why would you need
food stamps if you're provided clothing, live in the barracks/dorm,
and have a meal card??

Careful now, you're going to **** off the tax and spend special rights lobby...