31 Days till OSH

On Jun 23, 9:27 am, "RST Engineering" wrote:
If it is publicized and if I don't have another forum at that time and if
there is sufficient grabber in the press release and if it isn't at 8 am or
5 pm and if we don't have another appointment, then perhaps.

Why all the posing and coyness? Just tell us what you've got and if it is
that cool then we'll make it our business to sort you out at The Show.
Yeah, I know. You're just an engineer. Me too. But I never miss an
opportunity to tell people about "my new baby".

Jim

--
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."
--James Dean





Hi Jim,

We are planning on having a press conference at Osh. You go to those
don't you?

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Jim,

I didn't mean to seem coy, I just wasn't trying to make any sort of
announcement here...

Dean

I didn't mean to seem coy, I just wasn't trying to make any sort of
announcement here...

Jeez, Dean -- this newsgroup is read by thousands of pilots --
announce away!

The product sounds absolutely AWESOME. When you certify them, I'll be
in line.

Now, if someone could only replace standard incandescent bulbs with
LEDs, I'd buy 'em tomorrow... To never change another g*($#@@ light
bulb at the inn would be worth a lot of money to me!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

You should really look at the new compact fluorescents. The old ones were
sort of yellowish and had a tendency to pop if you looked at them crosseyed,
but the new ones are really sturdy, white, and I haven't changed one in
three or four years. I've got them in the house, in the shop, in the lab,
and in the hangar. I remember that on one of our first trips to the
hardware store when Gail moved to California we got a raft of them for our
computer benches. I just looked up and out of 7 bulbs that burn almost 8-10
hours a day, three of them were from that first batch --- and that was 1995.

I don't know how Iowa Gas and Electric (or whatever the name is) has the
same sort of promo that Pacific Gas and Electric has, but every now and
again PG&E will kick in with a deal where you can get as many of the bulbs
as you want for about half the normal price. AND in the deal you get about
four to five times the efficiency of an incandescent bulb.

Jim

--
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."
--James Dean

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Now, if someone could only replace standard incandescent bulbs with
LEDs, I'd buy 'em tomorrow... To never change another g*($#@@ light
bulb at the inn would be worth a lot of money to me!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

You should really look at the new compact fluorescents.

I replaced all the hallway lights on the first floor of one of our
buildings with compact fluroescent, as an experiment.

Yes, they burn out far less often, and put out far less heat. They're
probably more efficient, too -- but, damn, it makes the hallway look
like something out of "The Matrix". In fact, that's what our staff
calls that hallway now. (I'll show it to you when you're here next
month.)

Until they get rid of that weird flickery greenish/yellowish coloring,
I don't want to switch any more.

LEDs would sure be nice, but none of the light bulb companies
apparently want to put their "bread & butter" at risk.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote in
oups.com:

You should really look at the new compact fluorescents.

I replaced all the hallway lights on the first floor of one of our
buildings with compact fluroescent, as an experiment.

Yes, they burn out far less often, and put out far less heat. They're
probably more efficient, too -- but, damn, it makes the hallway look
like something out of "The Matrix". In fact, that's what our staff
calls that hallway now. (I'll show it to you when you're here next
month.)

Until they get rid of that weird flickery greenish/yellowish coloring,
I don't want to switch any more.

LEDs would sure be nice, but none of the light bulb companies
apparently want to put their "bread & butter" at risk.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"




Have you looked at http://www.ledlight.com/?

As for the CFL lights, there is a "daylight" version which looks very much
like sunlight. I tried them and like them, but they do take some getting
used to. Like everyone else, I was used to the warm yellow from
incadescents and switching to the "daylight" fluourescent is a very
noticeable change. I got these "daylight" CFLs at Home Depot Expo. I've
even switched my 4' fluourescent tubes over to the "daylight" version.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Marty Shapiro wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote in
oups.com:


You should really look at the new compact fluorescents.

I replaced all the hallway lights on the first floor of one of our
buildings with compact fluroescent, as an experiment.

Yes, they burn out far less often, and put out far less heat. They're
probably more efficient, too -- but, damn, it makes the hallway look
like something out of "The Matrix". In fact, that's what our staff
calls that hallway now. (I'll show it to you when you're here next
month.)

Until they get rid of that weird flickery greenish/yellowish coloring,
I don't want to switch any more.

LEDs would sure be nice, but none of the light bulb companies
apparently want to put their "bread & butter" at risk.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"





Have you looked at http://www.ledlight.com/?

As for the CFL lights, there is a "daylight" version which looks very much
like sunlight. I tried them and like them, but they do take some getting
used to. Like everyone else, I was used to the warm yellow from
incadescents and switching to the "daylight" fluourescent is a very
noticeable change. I got these "daylight" CFLs at Home Depot Expo. I've
even switched my 4' fluourescent tubes over to the "daylight" version.

I bought mongo full spectrum CFLs for my plants and when I first put
them in I thought "too blue". The next morning as I walked down the
stairs I thought "Damned Ron, he left the front door open again", but
when I got downstairs the door was shut. The lights make perfect daylight!

Margy

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Until they get rid of that weird flickery greenish/yellowish coloring,
I don't want to switch any more.


They come in different color temperatures, Jay. Also, quality does matter;
you might have gotten some bad ones. I've been very pleased with the ones
I've bought at Home depot. Get the "daylight white" ones next time.

In a hotel, they could really save you a lot of utility costs.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Jay Honeck wrote:
[Compact fluorescents] burn out far less often, and put out far less
heat. They're probably more efficient, too

All true. Remember, in the summer, you get to pay for much more than
the power an incandescent lamp draws - you put, say, 60 W into the lamp
and get, say 5 W of light and 55 W of heat. Then you have to run the
air conditioner longer to pump that 55 W of heat outside. Swap that for
a 13 W CFL and not only does more of that 13 W turn into light, less of
it turns into heat that you have to pump outside. The flip side with
CFLs is that in the winter, you have to run the furnace longer to make
up for the heat that you aren't getting from incandescent lamps.

-- but, damn, it makes the hallway look like something out of "The
Matrix". In fact, that's what our staff calls that hallway now.

As has been mentioned, you can get them in different color temperatures.
Unfortunately, even though most lamps (incandescent, CFL, whatever) have
the watts and lumens clearly marked on the packaging, the color
temperature is not often marked or is not marked clearly. I did see
some CFLs at either Lowe's or Home Depot that had packages marked "cool"
in blue letters or "warm" in red letters, which is at least a start.

Lamp geeks will talk about color temperature in degrees Kelvin, like
"2800 K". Fluorescent lamps are sometimes marked this way, but sometimes
they use a code like "28" for 2800 K, "30" for 3000 K, and sometimes
aren't marked at all. The big fusion reactor that runs the world has a
color temperature of about 5785 K. A plain old incandescent lamp is
about 2800 K. Some CFLs are way over 3500 K, although ones down to
2700 K are available. A higher color temperature is usually described
as "colder" light, while lower is "warmer".

There is another number called the Color Rendering Index or CRI that is
supposed to show how well colors appear to human vision. I think it can
be computed for any lamp, but it is most often quoted for fluorescent
lamps. A CRI of 100 is "perfect"; a good-quality fluorescent lamp will
probably be in the high 80s or low 90s.

Most of the "big name" manufacturers have lamp catalogs with a lot of
technical data online, and this can be a good way to find out the real
specs of what you can get in the local stores. (It's safe to assume
that the employees at the big-box store will be clueless.) They may
also have "recommend a lamp" features on their Web sites, either
automated or with a human. Another option might be to talk to a local
or regional lamp distributor; the salesman there should be able to give
you some level of advice on what lamps will look good in what situations.
Also, if you're in a restaurant or another hotel, look at the fixtures
to see what they're using. If they are CFLs and you like the way they
look, get a part number from the lamp (if you can reach it) or inquire
of the management.

LEDs would sure be nice, but none of the light bulb companies
apparently want to put their "bread & butter" at risk.

The reason that there aren't white LED lamps is the same reason that
there aren't battery-electric airplanes. Right now, for "white"
light, fluorescent lamps are just about the most efficient thing
around. To make money, LEDs have to beat fluorescents and they aren't
quite there yet - but probably will get there within the next few years.

If you want a particular color of light, LED lamps are already about the
most efficient way to get it. LEDs are catching on for stage lighting
in a big way; not only are they not nearly as hot, but you can have one
fixture with red, green, and blue LEDs in it and a knob on the back (or
a computer connection) so you can dial up any color you like. LEDs also
last a long time, which is part of the reason why they are popular in
applications like traffic lights, where labor cost to replace is a good
chunk of the budget. In the past few years, some of the red warning
lamps on radio towers and other aerial obstacles appear to be LEDs as
well.

Matt Roberds

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Lamp geeks will talk about color temperature in degrees Kelvin, like
"2800 K". Fluorescent lamps are sometimes marked this way, but sometimes
they use a code like "28" for 2800 K, "30" for 3000 K, and sometimes
aren't marked at all.

Check again, now. Most of the fluorescents I see at Lowe's DO have the
Kelvin temperature on the package.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
wrote
Lamp geeks will talk about color temperature in degrees Kelvin, like
"2800 K". Fluorescent lamps are sometimes marked this way, but sometimes
they use a code like "28" for 2800 K, "30" for 3000 K, and sometimes
aren't marked at all.

Check again, now. Most of the fluorescents I see at Lowe's DO have the
Kelvin temperature on the package.

I was at Home Depot the other day and it was indeed marked on most of
the CFLs they sold. It wasn't on the front in the little "lumens/watts/
hours" box (where I think it should go), but it _was_ printed on the back.
The "nvision" brand had three different color temperatures available and
the packages were printed in different colors on a white background. IIRC
red was "soft white" and about 2800 K; green was "bright white" and about
3500 K, and blue was "sunlight" or "daylight" and about 5500 K.

Matt Roberds