Seaplane Resurgence?

"Rob Arndt" wrote in message
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On Sep 29, 5:02?pm, wrote:
In addition to the C-130 Seaplane project:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...plckController...

It looks like other seaplane ideas are being studied as well:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...plckController...

http://cisd.dt.navy.mil/div/cisd/fil...anes%20wo%20an...

Japan and the (Former) USSR never really gave up on seaplanes, but
will they now make a comeback in the US?

No- we have plenty of a/c carriers which Japan and the FSU/Russia
lack...

Seaplanes perform strike missions? (That's what CVN's do)



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On Sep 29, 5:40?pm, "Mark Test" wrote:
"Rob Arndt" wrote in message

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On Sep 29, 5:02?pm, wrote:
In addition to the C-130 Seaplane project:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...plckController...

It looks like other seaplane ideas are being studied as well:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...plckController...

http://cisd.dt.navy.mil/div/cisd/fil...anes%20wo%20an...

Japan and the (Former) USSR never really gave up on seaplanes, but
will they now make a comeback in the US?

No- we have plenty of a/c carriers which Japan and the FSU/Russia
lack...

Seaplanes perform strike missions? (That's what CVN's do)

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Yes, AFAIK, that IS what the plan has been for years with new seaplane
projects apart from pure transports- arm them with Harpoons and
torpedos and other ordnance.

Also, military seaplanes can perform recon, sea rescue (on a carrier
performed by a helo), ASW, etc... all of which carrier-based aviation
does better.

The Soviet-era Ekranoplans were comparable to seaplanes as well and
carried a range of missiles.

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:

The Soviet-era Ekranoplans were comparable to seaplanes

Not at all similar.

The Ekranoplans flew only in ground effect.

Graham

On Sep 29, 6:04?pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
The Soviet-era Ekranoplans were comparable to seaplanes

Not at all similar.

The Ekranoplans flew only in ground effect.

Graham

A technicality at best.

Ekranoplans are planes and are sea-based, so they are only a DIFFERENT
type of seaplane.

You can't call them flying ships- they are WIG aviation.

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:04?pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
The Soviet-era Ekranoplans were comparable to seaplanes
Not at all similar.

The Ekranoplans flew only in ground effect.

Graham

A technicality at best.

Ekranoplans are planes and are sea-based, so they are only a DIFFERENT
type of seaplane.

You can't call them flying ships- they are WIG aviation.

Rob

Oh, please, seaplanes can fly overland, fly at altitude, don't have
to go around islands, can fly over rough seas and a few other things
WIGs can't do. Even you should be able to see that, xenia.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Sep 29, 6:52 pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:04?pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
The Soviet-era Ekranoplans were comparable to seaplanes
Not at all similar.

The Ekranoplans flew only in ground effect.

Graham

A technicality at best.

Ekranoplans are planes and are sea-based, so they are only a DIFFERENT
type of seaplane.

You can't call them flying ships- they are WIG aviation.

Rob

Oh, please, seaplanes can fly overland, fly at altitude, don't have
to go around islands, can fly over rough seas and a few other things
WIGs can't do. Even you should be able to see that, xenia.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

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So how would you define an Ekronoplan? Seacraft? It is piloted and
flies. I believe ti has a/c controls as well...

Here is a dated article from New Scientist and their description, used
as an example:

Spacecraft may one day take off from the backs of seaplanes travelling
at half the speed of sound. That's the future of space travel if
Russian and Japanese scientists get their way, according to the
journal New Scientist.

Here's their plan. A spaceplane is placed on the back of a 1500-tonne,
rocket-propelled seaplane, or what Russians call an "ekranoplan". The
seaplane skims the water on a high-pressure cushion of air. When the
ekranoplan reaches speeds of more than 600 km/h, the spaceplane's
rockets fire and the two crafts separate. The spaceplane continues to
fly until it reaches its escape velocity of around 966 km/h.

Researchers believe this technology could be at par with the
traditional vertical take-off system such as the space shuttle.

Alexander Nebylov, director of the International Institute for
Advanced Aerospace Technology in St. Petersburg, says the high initial
launch speed gives this system an advantage over a conventional take-
off.

To land, Nebylov says the spaceplane will dock with a moving
ekranoplan when it returns to Earth.

Nebylov points out that the craft can be launched from any point in
the ocean - and that's important in achieving orbit. Scientists prefer
to launch as near as they can to the equator since the Earth's extra
rotational velocity in that area helps a spacecraft get into orbit.

Nebylov and Nobuyuki Tomita of the Musashi Institute of Technology in
Tokyo plan to conduct initial sea trials next year with a scaled-down
ekranoplan weighing 400-tonnes.

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:52 pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:04?pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
The Soviet-era Ekranoplans were comparable to seaplanes
Not at all similar.
The Ekranoplans flew only in ground effect.
Graham
A technicality at best.
Ekranoplans are planes and are sea-based, so they are only a DIFFERENT
type of seaplane.
You can't call them flying ships- they are WIG aviation.
Rob
Oh, please, seaplanes can fly overland, fly at altitude, don't have
to go around islands, can fly over rough seas and a few other things
WIGs can't do. Even you should be able to see that, xenia.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

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So how would you define an Ekronoplan? Seacraft? It is piloted and
flies. I believe ti has a/c controls as well...


How about a separate category of WIG, xenia? Using your "logic" a
hovercraft is a helicopter.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:31:04 -0700, Rob Arndt
wrote:

The spaceplane continues to
fly until it reaches its escape velocity of around 966 km/h.
..Flying machines don't have an escape velocity. Planets or
stars have one, but not aircraft. We are talking about escaping
_something_, but what? what does the number relate to? For the earth
escape velocity is 7 miles per second, or a bit more than 40 000
km/h.

Casady

Rob Arndt wrote:

Here is a dated article from New Scientist and their description, used
as an example:

Spacecraft may one day take off from the backs of seaplanes travelling
at half the speed of sound. That's the future of space travel if
Russian and Japanese scientists get their way, according to the
journal New Scientist.

Just goes to show how little real science makes it's way into New Scientist
these days.

How many 'free energy' articles did they have in that issue ?

Graham

On Sep 29, 9:52 pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:04?pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
The Soviet-era Ekranoplans were comparable to seaplanes
Not at all similar.

The Ekranoplans flew only in ground effect.

Graham

A technicality at best.

Ekranoplans are planes and are sea-based, so they are only a DIFFERENT
type of seaplane.

You can't call them flying ships- they are WIG aviation.

Rob

Oh, please, seaplanes can fly overland, fly at altitude, don't have
to go around islands, can fly over rough seas and a few other things
WIGs can't do. Even you should be able to see that, xenia.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Here's a display of what it says is the latest on the Ekranoplans.
Since I was the guy who named them I consider the idea to be mine. I
would guess somewhere in the Russian realm or working a deli in
Brooklyn is someone who could explain why the Sovs chose the Caspian
for basing this bugger. No way out, no use except thrill rides,
pictures and exciting Western intelligence people.