TFR Bust = Criminal Record For Pilots?

On Oct 22, 10:34 am, Bob Fry wrote:
"LD" == Larry Dighera writes:

LD While I believe those airmen who fail to get a briefing
LD immediately before departing,... or otherwise display wanton
LD negligence and disregard for FAA regulations may deserve
LD criminal prosecution,

So a pilot who simply fails to get a briefing--something hundreds or
thousands of pilots do every day--"may deserve criminal prosecution".

LD criminal charges against a pilot whose
LD inadvertent violation of a TFR results in no harm nor hazard
LD to persons nor property seems inappropriate to me.

Oh, you think? And how does one inadvertently violate a TFR if they
have gotten a briefing?

This administration is out of control. Of course we knew that a long
time ago. If the killing of hundreds of thousands in an illegimate war
was not enough to warn us, criminalizing common flying habits might be
the clue some need.
--
Religion, comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a
disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere else
but in amentia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion.
~ Sigmund Freud

I recall one morning after Katrina when I was in the local pattern in
Mobile,AL (KBFM). The USCG uses KMOB/KBFM for a lot of training and
one of their helicopters called for his clearance back to KGPT
(Gulfport) and the tower asked if they knew they were not going to
make it back before the TFR time. Slight pause..."WHAT TFR are you
talking about?" says the shocked coastie. Well, after Katrina, all the
politicians in the world were trying to make the TV news and someone
decided to visit on a spur of the moment and a TFR was pushed into
place. The coasties had done a very complete pre-flight and nothing
was mentioned until the tower advised them. So ......the problem still
exists about how to know if you are going to penetrate a TFR if there
is no information disseminated in a timely fashion. I suspect the same
will happen, as it does each year about this same time, for the
Santana winds in CA. Those same freaking winds have been blowing at
the same time frame every year since I began flying in SOCal the 50's.
Difference is now they can put a TFR in place within hours of a new
fire and a pilot who got a complete briefing only hours before can
blunder smack into one and never know it until he gets the ass chewing
followed by a letter and giant Excedrin headaches.
Ahhh lets hear it for the ever more protective government who know
what is best for us misguided children......
Ol S&B

Recently, Ol Shy & Bashful posted:

On Oct 22, 10:34 am, Bob Fry wrote:
"LD" == Larry Dighera writes:

While I believe those airmen who fail to get a briefing
immediately before departing,... or otherwise display wanton
negligence and disregard for FAA regulations may deserve
criminal prosecution,

So a pilot who simply fails to get a briefing--something hundreds or
thousands of pilots do every day--"may deserve criminal prosecution".

criminal charges against a pilot whose
inadvertent violation of a TFR results in no harm nor hazard
to persons nor property seems inappropriate to me.

Oh, you think? And how does one inadvertently violate a TFR if they
have gotten a briefing?

This administration is out of control. Of course we knew that a long
time ago. If the killing of hundreds of thousands in an illegimate
war was not enough to warn us, criminalizing common flying habits
might be the clue some need.
--
Religion, comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a
disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere
else but in amentia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion.
~ Sigmund Freud

I recall one morning after Katrina when I was in the local pattern in
Mobile,AL (KBFM). The USCG uses KMOB/KBFM for a lot of training and
one of their helicopters called for his clearance back to KGPT
(Gulfport) and the tower asked if they knew they were not going to
make it back before the TFR time. Slight pause..."WHAT TFR are you
talking about?" says the shocked coastie. Well, after Katrina, all the
politicians in the world were trying to make the TV news and someone
decided to visit on a spur of the moment and a TFR was pushed into
place. The coasties had done a very complete pre-flight and nothing
was mentioned until the tower advised them. So ......the problem still
exists about how to know if you are going to penetrate a TFR if there
is no information disseminated in a timely fashion. I suspect the same
will happen, as it does each year about this same time, for the
Santana winds in CA. Those same freaking winds have been blowing at
the same time frame every year since I began flying in SOCal the 50's.
Difference is now they can put a TFR in place within hours of a new
fire and a pilot who got a complete briefing only hours before can
blunder smack into one and never know it until he gets the ass chewing
followed by a letter and giant Excedrin headaches.
Ahhh lets hear it for the ever more protective government who know
what is best for us misguided children......

Oh, come on, guys, let's get into the sport of it all!

Driving the wrong way on one way streets can be criminalized and the
directional signs put on programmable billboard-type signs. Drivers would
have to call the local authorities every morning to find out which
direction the streets between home and work are going, but there is always
the possibility that they'll changed en-route.

Neil

On Oct 22, 2:03 pm, "Neil Gould" wrote:
Recently, Ol Shy & Bashful posted:





On Oct 22, 10:34 am, Bob Fry wrote:
"LD" == Larry Dighera writes:

While I believe those airmen who fail to get a briefing
immediately before departing,... or otherwise display wanton
negligence and disregard for FAA regulations may deserve
criminal prosecution,

So a pilot who simply fails to get a briefing--something hundreds or
thousands of pilots do every day--"may deserve criminal prosecution".

criminal charges against a pilot whose
inadvertent violation of a TFR results in no harm nor hazard
to persons nor property seems inappropriate to me.

Oh, you think? And how does one inadvertently violate a TFR if they
have gotten a briefing?

This administration is out of control. Of course we knew that a long
time ago. If the killing of hundreds of thousands in an illegimate
war was not enough to warn us, criminalizing common flying habits
might be the clue some need.
--
Religion, comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a
disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere
else but in amentia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion.
~ Sigmund Freud

I recall one morning after Katrina when I was in the local pattern in
Mobile,AL (KBFM). The USCG uses KMOB/KBFM for a lot of training and
one of their helicopters called for his clearance back to KGPT
(Gulfport) and the tower asked if they knew they were not going to
make it back before the TFR time. Slight pause..."WHAT TFR are you
talking about?" says the shocked coastie. Well, after Katrina, all the
politicians in the world were trying to make the TV news and someone
decided to visit on a spur of the moment and a TFR was pushed into
place. The coasties had done a very complete pre-flight and nothing
was mentioned until the tower advised them. So ......the problem still
exists about how to know if you are going to penetrate a TFR if there
is no information disseminated in a timely fashion. I suspect the same
will happen, as it does each year about this same time, for the
Santana winds in CA. Those same freaking winds have been blowing at
the same time frame every year since I began flying in SOCal the 50's.
Difference is now they can put a TFR in place within hours of a new
fire and a pilot who got a complete briefing only hours before can
blunder smack into one and never know it until he gets the ass chewing
followed by a letter and giant Excedrin headaches.
Ahhh lets hear it for the ever more protective government who know
what is best for us misguided children......

Oh, come on, guys, let's get into the sport of it all!

Driving the wrong way on one way streets can be criminalized and the
directional signs put on programmable billboard-type signs. Drivers would
have to call the local authorities every morning to find out which
direction the streets between home and work are going, but there is always
the possibility that they'll changed en-route.

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And if you drive the wrong way, a Humvee will show up and point a 50
caliber machine gun at you until you pull over...

Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:

Difference is now they can put a TFR in place within hours of a new
fire and a pilot who got a complete briefing only hours before can
blunder smack into one and never know it until he gets the ass chewing
followed by a letter and giant Excedrin headaches.
Ahhh lets hear it for the ever more protective government who know
what is best for us misguided children......

I encountered this several times over the summer, while flying in Western
MT and Centeral ID. Fire TFRs don't carry the same enforcement as the
political/"security" types. The crews that are fighting the fire are well
aware that the FAA is dismally slow at disseminating info about fire TFRs. I
encountered one fire in eastern Idaho that had no TFR when I took off 2 hrs.
earlier. There were firebombers and lead aircraft working the fire as I
passed by. The TFR finally showed up in the FAA system 36 hrs. later.
Conversely, on my way back to AZ through UT, I had to skirt a TFR that had
been very active a week prior. When I landed nearby for fuel, I found out
that the fire had been extinguished and the crews had been gone for 3 days.

Generally speaking, if you avoid flying over areas that are actively on
fire and producing smoke, no one will bother you.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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JGalban wrote:

Generally speaking, if you avoid flying over areas that are actively on
fire and producing smoke, no one will bother you.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

*glider guy suit on*

Dang,
In our inverted summer sky in NCal valley, thems the only spots we can find
lift. : /

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