Plans/suggestions wanted for car or truck mounted av/mo gas tankfor self fueling

On Dec 7, 7:27 am, "Jim Carter" wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message

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Jim Carter wrote:

With the overabundance of participants in the legal profession, wouldn't
you worry about defending yourself in a suit where even if the accident
wasn't your fault, your violation of law made the results much worse? I'm
thinking about a traffic accident involving a spill (very expensive to
clean up) or a fire (very expensive...period) resulting from the fuel
being tankered.

I'm not saying I disagree with your premise and I would probably do the
same in a rural area, but I'd sure be concerned with the laws if I was
anywhere near a metropolitan area. This flying hobby is way too expensive
already to have to shell out an uninsured settlement.

I'm insured. As my brother, who works for State Farm, is fond of saying,
"We insure stupidity."

Does your insurance cover your acts if they are illegal? Most insurance
carriers will not honor coverage if you were participating in an illegal
activity. Hauling more fuel than allowed by law would certainly be
questionable wouldn't it?

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas

I would think they don't cover "criminal" acts. If you wrecked your
car speeding, however, you would be covered even though it's illegal
since it's not criminal.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:41:14 -0800 (PST), 150flivver
wrote:

On Dec 7, 7:27 am, "Jim Carter" wrote:

I'm insured. As my brother, who works for State Farm, is fond of saying,
"We insure stupidity."

Does your insurance cover your acts if they are illegal? Most insurance
carriers will not honor coverage if you were participating in an illegal
activity. Hauling more fuel than allowed by law would certainly be
questionable wouldn't it?

I would think they don't cover "criminal" acts. If you wrecked your
car speeding, however, you would be covered even though it's illegal
since it's not criminal.

Here in Washington state, a guy got mad at his girlfriend and took off in his
car to ram her car. As he was maneuvering to hit her, he struck the car of a
third party, damaging it and injuring the driver. The insurance company of the
third party refused to pay for the car damage and injuries suffered by their
client, as it wasn't an "accident."

The decision was eventually reversed after pressure from the state insurance
commission.

Ron Wanttaja

Jim Carter wrote:


Does your insurance cover your acts if they are illegal?

Yes.


Most insurance
carriers will not honor coverage if you were participating in an illegal
activity.

When they say that hauling a few gallons over some limit is not what
they mean.




Hauling more fuel than allowed by law would certainly be
questionable wouldn't it?

Nope.

Insurance companies cover claims for just about everything.
DWI is a criminal act and the drivers are covered.
Show in writing that driving with extra fuel is an exemption and it
should not be covered, otherwise it is covered.
It's all in the wording.

150flivver wrote:
On Dec 7, 7:27 am, "Jim Carter" wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message

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Jim Carter wrote:
With the overabundance of participants in the legal profession, wouldn't
you worry about defending yourself in a suit where even if the accident
wasn't your fault, your violation of law made the results much worse? I'm
thinking about a traffic accident involving a spill (very expensive to
clean up) or a fire (very expensive...period) resulting from the fuel
being tankered.
I'm not saying I disagree with your premise and I would probably do the
same in a rural area, but I'd sure be concerned with the laws if I was
anywhere near a metropolitan area. This flying hobby is way too expensive
already to have to shell out an uninsured settlement.
I'm insured. As my brother, who works for State Farm, is fond of saying,
"We insure stupidity."
Does your insurance cover your acts if they are illegal? Most insurance
carriers will not honor coverage if you were participating in an illegal
activity. Hauling more fuel than allowed by law would certainly be
questionable wouldn't it?

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas

I would think they don't cover "criminal" acts. If you wrecked your
car speeding, however, you would be covered even though it's illegal
since it's not criminal.

I'm not saying I disagree with your premise and I would probably do the same
in a rural area, but I'd sure be concerned with the laws if I was anywhere
near a metropolitan area. This flying hobby is way too expensive already to
have to shell out an uninsured settlement.

This is easily handled in a metropolitan area. It ain't gonna happen.

Every busy city has diluted their auto gas with expensive, polluting,
non sustainable, energy negative ethanol. While politically expedient,
this crap is verboten in airplane applications. So, in the areas where
you most likely would have a close encounter of the explosive kind, you
cannot use the fuel.

Just another little "service" from the federal government that winds up
keeping you all nice and safe...

Good Luck,
Mike

This is easily handled in a metropolitan area. It ain't gonna happen.

Actually, a fuel truck is still useful, even if you don't burn car gas
in your plane.

The guy who used to own Atlas now flies a fire-breathing Comanche
400. Ain't using mogas in THAT monster!

I was surprised to see him fueling his plane from his fuel truck the
other day, and asked him what he was doing. Turns out he fills his
fuel truck from the cheap(er) self-serve avgas pump, and then self-
fuels at his hangar. This gets him some of the convenience of having
the fuel truck come to his hangar (God, remember those days?) while
still saving 25 cents per gallon.

Speaking of fueling, just nine years ago we would get back from a
flight and flip a red flap up on our hangar door if we wanted fuel.
The line guys would drive the fuel truck up and down the hangar rows a
couple of times each day, looking for red flaps, and fuel any plane
that needed it.

Imagine -- they would open the hangar door, fuel the plane, close the
hangar door, and bill you at the end of the month -- and it cost all
of two bucks a gallon... (Which, at the time, we bitched about!)

That was two FBOs ago. Those days are loooooong gone.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
This is easily handled in a metropolitan area. It ain't gonna happen.



Imagine -- they would open the hangar door, fuel the plane, close the
hangar door, and bill you at the end of the month -- and it cost all
of two bucks a gallon... (Which, at the time, we bitched about!)

That was two FBOs ago. Those days are loooooong gone.

Hey Jay,

That is what we get at Fitchburg, Ma. (KFIT). Of course it is nearly
$5/gal, but they will fuel your plane. There are maybe 150 planes on the
field, maybe a little less. I guess I should be appreciative. Xmas is
coming so I guess a little payola for the line men won't hurt.

KC

Mike Spera wrote:

Every busy city has diluted their auto gas with expensive, polluting,
non sustainable, energy negative ethanol.

Hmmm. What constitutes a busy city?

I never had problems finding ethanol free auto gas in the greater
Portland, OR area. Likewise, now that I've moved to Boise, I can
still get it. Maybe these arn't busy cities to you? They are busy
enough for me.

Dunno how long it will stay that way...

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Boise, ID

I never had problems finding ethanol free auto gas in the greater
Portland, OR area. Likewise, now that I've moved to Boise, I can
still get it. Maybe these arn't busy cities to you? They are busy
enough for me.

Dunno how long it will stay that way...

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Boise, ID

I wish there was a good source of information on where and when
ethanol is added to auto gas. I have searched for same and drawn a
blank. I have also tested a few samples of the gas I normally buy and
have yet to detect any ethanol. I haven't sprung for the STC yet,
but it looks better and better every time the price of avgas goes up.

David Johnson

That is what we get at Fitchburg, Ma. (KFIT). Of course it is nearly
$5/gal, but they will fuel your plane.

Oh, Iowa City still has a fuel truck that will come to your hangar --
but it takes an act of Congress to get it done, and you pay through
the nose.

What's "long gone" are the days when our FBO actually *looked* for
hangars that had the "Need Fuel" flapper up on their door. It sure
was a nice service.

What's goofy is that the line guys now just sit around, getting paid
exactly the same (or more) as when they went out looking for
business. I suppose the wear and tear on (and gas for) the fuel
truck was what they were trying to save -- but it seems like the kind
of service that if publicized might entice more fuel sales, especially
with pilot/owners getting up in age. (I see these old geezers trying
to tug their Bonanzas up to the self-serve pump, and cringe...)

Of course, filling a Cherokee and making 30 bucks is pretty paltry
compared to filling a Gulfstream and making $400 -- so you *know*
where their priorities are. Can't really blame them.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"