FAA ADS-B Propaganda Video

On Dec 22, 11:10*am, Larry Dighera wrote:

The air carriers benefit. *The FAA contractors (Boeing, LockMart,
ITT,...) benefit. *There might be some benefit for ATC. *But as
proposed in the NPRM, it is GA that has to spend a _LOT_ of cash to
make it happen, and I am unable to find any significant benefit for
GA.
Lar, your first post said that air carriers are going to be exempt and
now you say they will benefit ? Actually, I would hope the air
carriers benefit because if they benefit, we all benefit. *
FB

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:30:47 -0800 (PST), "F. Baum"
wrote in
:

On Dec 22, 11:10*am, Larry Dighera wrote:

The air carriers benefit. *The FAA contractors (Boeing, LockMart,
ITT,...) benefit. *There might be some benefit for ATC. *But as
proposed in the NPRM, it is GA that has to spend a _LOT_ of cash to
make it happen, and I am unable to find any significant benefit for
GA.
Lar, your first post said that air carriers are going to be exempt and
now you say they will benefit ?

The airliners are already equipped with Mode S transponders and
certified GPS receivers. The cost of installation of an ADS-B box is
a VERY SMALL percentage of the value of the aircraft, unlike light GA
where the ADS-B installation might comprise 50% of the value of the
aircraft.

Actually, I would hope the air carriers benefit because if they benefit,
we all benefit. *

I'm still waiting for you to list the benefits to GA aircraft owners
that the FAA's ADS-B NPRM will provide. If you are unable to list
them, I'll have to conclude that you agree that there are none.

On Dec 22, 12:12*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:

I'm still waiting for you to list the benefits to GA aircraft owners
that the FAA's ADS-B NPRM will provide. *If you are unable to list
them, I'll have to conclude that you agree that there are none.

Yea, you are right. Lets not modernize our airspace. If you take a
look at the NPRM and the FAA material on Next Gen you will see that it
benefits GA much more than the airlines. I dont know who you fly for,
but the airlines already have many of the Next Gen procedures are in
place. I dont mean to be sarcastic Larry, but when you fly an RNAV or
RNP procedure do you long for the good old days of vectors and
holding patterns ?
FB

"F. Baum" wrote:

On Dec 22, 12:12=A0pm, Larry Dighera wrote:

I'm still waiting for you to list the benefits to GA aircraft owners
that the FAA's ADS-B NPRM will provide. =A0If you are unable to list
them, I'll have to conclude that you agree that there are none.

Yea, you are right. Lets not modernize our airspace. If you take a
look at the NPRM and the FAA material on Next Gen you will see that it
benefits GA much more than the airlines. I dont know who you fly for,
but the airlines already have many of the Next Gen procedures are in
place. I dont mean to be sarcastic Larry, but when you fly an RNAV or
RNP procedure do you long for the good old days of vectors and
holding patterns ?
FB

FB, you have not shown the benefit to me...a GA pilot. Have you read
the NPRM?

Are you a GA pilot?

Do you own a GA aircraft?

Ron Lee

"F. Baum" wrote:

On Dec 22, 12:12=A0pm, Larry Dighera wrote:

I'm still waiting for you to list the benefits to GA aircraft owners
that the FAA's ADS-B NPRM will provide. =A0If you are unable to list
them, I'll have to conclude that you agree that there are none.

Yea, you are right. Lets not modernize our airspace. If you take a
look at the NPRM and the FAA material on Next Gen you will see that it
benefits GA much more than the airlines. I dont know who you fly for,
but the airlines already have many of the Next Gen procedures are in
place. I dont mean to be sarcastic Larry, but when you fly an RNAV or
RNP procedure do you long for the good old days of vectors and
holding patterns ?
FB

More questions FB.

Do you work for the FAA as a government employee, consultant or
supporting contractor?

Do you work for any company that will benefit from producing equipment
or otherwise providing ADS-B and/or Next Gen services?

Ron Lee

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:55:56 -0800 (PST), "F. Baum"
wrote in
:

On Dec 22, 12:12*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:

I'm still waiting for you to list the benefits to GA aircraft owners
that the FAA's ADS-B NPRM will provide. *If you are unable to list
them, I'll have to conclude that you agree that there are none.

Yea, you are right.

Thank you for admitting that you are completely unable to provide
evidence of _ANY_ benefits to light GA operators who will be funding
the lion's share of this proposed ADS-B "airspace modernization"
boondoggle.

Lets not modernize our airspace.

Regardless of how much rhetoric is spewed about how NextGen ATC
modernization will reduce airline delays, or provide better safety,
the fact remains, that there is a _finite_ amount of airspace, so the
system is inherently limited. No modernization scheme can change that
fact. NextGen may enable reducing aircraft separation to some extent,
but it is inevitable that a limit will be reached if airline traffic
continues to burgeon.

If you take a
look at the NPRM and the FAA material on Next Gen you will see that it
benefits GA much more than the airlines.

I've looked at it, and I don't see what you are referring to. Perhaps
you'll be good enough to provide an example or two.

I dont know who you fly for,
but the airlines already have many of the Next Gen procedures are in
place.

Can you be a little more specific? To what "procedures" are you
referring?

I dont mean to be sarcastic Larry, but when you fly an RNAV or
RNP procedure do you long for the good old days of vectors and
holding patterns ?
FB

Do you believe that ADS-B and NextGen are necessary for those
procedures? I can recall using RNAV in the late '60s; it is not new.
RNP is a result of more accurate technology. It is funded by those
who use it, not those who don't. Incremental modernization like that
is welcome. But to scrap the world's best ATC system in favor of
large-corporation driven pie-in-the-sky marketing promises is foolish
in my opinion.