i think I flew into class c airspace accidentally withoutestablishing communication

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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Last time I checked celestial navigation wasn't in the PP requirements and
use of a VOR was.


When did you last check? "VOR" does not appear in Part 61.



You're such a dick Steven. Does the initial P stand for penis?

The practical test standard does cover navigational aids and you know it.

B. TASK: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS AND RADAR SERVICES
(ASEL and ASES)
REFERENCES: FAA-H-8083-3, AC 61-23/FAA-H-8083-25; Navigation
Equipment Operation Manuals, AIM.
Objective. To determine that the applicant:
1. Exhibits knowledge of the elements related to navigation systems
and radar services.
2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.
5. Recognizes and describes the indication of station passage, if
appropriate.
6. Recognizes signal loss and takes appropriate action.
7. Uses proper communication procedures when utilizing radar
services.
8. Maintains the appropriate altitude, ±200 feet (60 meters) and
headings ±15°.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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You're such a dick Steven. Does the initial P stand for penis?


No.



The practical test standard does cover navigational aids and you know it.


Yes, as does Part 61, but not specifically VOR as you claimed.



B. TASK: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS AND RADAR SERVICES
(ASEL and ASES)
REFERENCES: FAA-H-8083-3, AC 61-23/FAA-H-8083-25; Navigation
Equipment Operation Manuals, AIM.
Objective. To determine that the applicant:
1. Exhibits knowledge of the elements related to navigation systems
and radar services.
2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.
5. Recognizes and describes the indication of station passage, if
appropriate.
6. Recognizes signal loss and takes appropriate action.
7. Uses proper communication procedures when utilizing radar
services.
8. Maintains the appropriate altitude, ±200 feet (60 meters) and
headings ±15°.


VOR does not appear there either. I suggest you read what you quote before
posting it, you might appear less stupid that way.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
...

You're such a dick Steven. Does the initial P stand for penis?


No.



The practical test standard does cover navigational aids and you know it.


Yes, as does Part 61, but not specifically VOR as you claimed.



B. TASK: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS AND RADAR SERVICES
(ASEL and ASES)
REFERENCES: FAA-H-8083-3, AC 61-23/FAA-H-8083-25; Navigation
Equipment Operation Manuals, AIM.
Objective. To determine that the applicant:
1. Exhibits knowledge of the elements related to navigation systems
and radar services.
2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.
5. Recognizes and describes the indication of station passage, if
appropriate.
6. Recognizes signal loss and takes appropriate action.
7. Uses proper communication procedures when utilizing radar
services.
8. Maintains the appropriate altitude, ?200 feet (60 meters) and
headings ?15?.


VOR does not appear there either. I suggest you read what you quote before
posting it, you might appear less stupid that way.

VOR is obviously implied by the language to even the most casual reader.

I suggest you read for comprehension rather than doing word searches
on text before posting; you might appear less of an anal asshole that
way.

--
Jim Pennino

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wrote in message
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VOR is obviously implied by the language to even the most casual reader.


It's not implied at all to an informed reader.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
wrote in message
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VOR is obviously implied by the language to even the most casual reader.


It's not implied at all to an informed reader.




OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...

2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
...

OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...

2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.


It doesn't refer to any specific system. The requirements can be satisfied
with ADF.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
...
OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...

2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.


It doesn't refer to any specific system. The requirements can be satisfied
with ADF.




Which is one of the systems I mentioned to start off with. But when I
took my PPL test ride ADF and GPS weren't options so I shortened it.

On 2008-01-28, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...
2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.

I'm not Steven, but it seems to me that a GPS would qualify.
--
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http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:38:59 -0600, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
wrote in message
...
VOR is obviously implied by the language to even the most casual reader.


It's not implied at all to an informed reader.




OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...

2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.

GPS? LORAN? ADF?

Peter Clark wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:38:59 -0600, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
wrote in message
...
VOR is obviously implied by the language to even the most casual reader.

It's not implied at all to an informed reader.



OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...

2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.

GPS? LORAN? ADF?

And........?