Talking to departure control

Thanks for the reply, and Steven and Mike too.

Canada seems to handle their hand offs very similar to the way the US
does, however they include this phrase in their AIM

"The initial call to Departure control whould contain at least....the
runway of departure..."

Hence you often hear pilots include the runway in the intial contact.
Plus, since the wording is "at least", also the airport of departure,
since there may be more than one that departure control is working.

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:34:49 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

writes:

I'm not from the US, but just wondering if you depart ifr from an
airport and tower tells you to contact departure, I know that you
check in with callsign, altitude through, and cleared altitude.

But I was wondering if the AIM recommends anywhere also to include the
departure runway and the departure airport too.

They already know that from the handoff. They know your altitude, too, but
you give it so that they can verify that the encoded altitude from the
transponder matches the altitude you see on your instruments.

wrote:

Canada seems to handle their hand offs very similar to the way the US
does, however they include this phrase in their AIM

"The initial call to Departure control whould contain at least....the
runway of departure..."


Including departures from a towered field?

Yes, including towered fields is the way I understand it. Transport
Canada AIM, Rules of the Air and Air Traffic Services, Instrument
Flight Rules - Departure Procedures, Section 5 Standard Instrument
Departure, page 233 (2006 AIM, more current avail on the net
somewhere). The text makes no reference to towered or non towered.
However the example immediately after the recommendation to include
runway of departure is "Ottawa departures, beech .....off runway 25,
heading 250....", and the towered field at Ottawa does in fact have a
runway 25. No direct recommendation to include heading given in the
AIP, except that the communication "should contain at least" the
callsign, r/w of dept, altitude at and climbing to.

Another interesting difference, on the page before this, is the
clarification of "fly runway heading". "Runway 04, magnetic heading
044 deg, then fly a heading of 044 deg M"
The US regs would be to fly 040 deg M, IIRC.

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:53:03 -0600, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

wrote:

Canada seems to handle their hand offs very similar to the way the US
does, however they include this phrase in their AIM

"The initial call to Departure control whould contain at least....the
runway of departure..."


Including departures from a towered field?

wrote:

Yes, including towered fields is the way I understand it. Transport
Canada AIM, Rules of the Air and Air Traffic Services, Instrument
Flight Rules - Departure Procedures, Section 5 Standard Instrument
Departure, page 233 (2006 AIM, more current avail on the net
somewhere). The text makes no reference to towered or non towered.
However the example immediately after the recommendation to include
runway of departure is "Ottawa departures, beech .....off runway 25,
heading 250....", and the towered field at Ottawa does in fact have a
runway 25. No direct recommendation to include heading given in the
AIP, except that the communication "should contain at least" the
callsign, r/w of dept, altitude at and climbing to.


Strange.



Another interesting difference, on the page before this, is the
clarification of "fly runway heading". "Runway 04, magnetic heading
044 deg, then fly a heading of 044 deg M"
The US regs would be to fly 040 deg M, IIRC.


Nope. From the current Pilot/Controller Glossary:


RUNWAY HEADING- The magnetic direction that corresponds with the runway
centerline extended, not
the painted runway number. When cleared to "fly or maintain runway heading,"
pilots are expected to fly or maintain the heading that corresponds with the
extended centerline of the departure runway. Drift correction shall not be
applied; e.g., Runway 4, actual magnetic heading of the runway centerline
044, fly 044.

Steven, has "runway heading" always been 044, as in your example. Or
was it previously 040, the painted runway number?

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:20:06 -0600, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

wrote:




Another interesting difference, on the page before this, is the
clarification of "fly runway heading". "Runway 04, magnetic heading
044 deg, then fly a heading of 044 deg M"
The US regs would be to fly 040 deg M, IIRC.


Nope. From the current Pilot/Controller Glossary:


RUNWAY HEADING- The magnetic direction that corresponds with the runway
centerline extended, not
the painted runway number. When cleared to "fly or maintain runway heading,"
pilots are expected to fly or maintain the heading that corresponds with the
extended centerline of the departure runway. Drift correction shall not be
applied; e.g., Runway 4, actual magnetic heading of the runway centerline
044, fly 044.

wrote:

Steven, has "runway heading" always been 044, as in your example. Or
was it previously 040, the painted runway number?


It wasn't by accident that I wrote CURRENT Pilot/Controller Glossary. ISTR
that it previously meant to fly the designated runway heading without regard
to the actual runway heading. I have several publications from the
late-seventies and on that include the Pilot/Controller Glossary. All that
include the term "Runway Heading" define it the same way, " The magnetic
direction that corresponds with the runway centerline extended, not the
painted runway number."

"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:
wrote:

Steven, has "runway heading" always been 044, as in your example. Or
was it previously 040, the painted runway number?

It wasn't by accident that I wrote CURRENT Pilot/Controller Glossary. ISTR
that it previously meant to fly the designated runway heading without regard
to the actual runway heading. I have several publications from the
late-seventies and on that include the Pilot/Controller Glossary. All that
include the term "Runway Heading" define it the same way, " The magnetic
direction that corresponds with the runway centerline extended, not the
painted runway number."

One is to fly the runway centerline without making any turns.
The actual number for the heading is not overly relevant
since the heading is only approximate once airborne. The
intent is to not be wandering around until ATC has further
instructions for you.