FAA Exemption Letter (USA)

Most gliders imported into the US or built within the US were issued a TCDS.
There is your certificate

BT

"Tony" wrote in message
...
I think it's worth noting that Part 45 only applies to aircraft built
under a type certificate.

Tony

On Jan 22, 12:23*pm, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Jan 22, 6:45*am, Tony wrote:

I think it's worth noting that Part 45 only applies to aircraft built
under a type certificate.

I don't think that's correct. Here's what § 45.1(a) says:

§ 45.1 * Applicability.
This part prescribes the requirements for—

(a) Identification of aircraft, and identification of aircraft engines
*and propellers that are manufactured under the terms of a type
*or production certificate...

The way I read that § 45.1(a), the first "and" means that part § 45
prescribes the requirements for both the identification of aircraft
_and_ the identification of certificated engines and propellers. Note
that the way that sentence is constructed, the qualifier "manufactured
under the terms of a type or production certificate" does not
necessarily apply to "aircraft," so it could be construed as "all
aircraft."

I admit that paragraph (a) might be a bit ambiguous, and I think that
it would be better if it was broken out into two paragraphs, something
like:

(a) Identification of aircraft.

(b) Identification of aircraft engines and propellers yadda yadda...

However, I'm personally convinced that § 45.1(a) means that all of
Part 45 applies to experimental as well as certificated aircraft. That
seems to be the consensus in the RV-series homebuilt aircraft
community, I think that pretty much all of them carry external
dataplates.

Thanks, Bob K.www.hpaircraft.com

ok, i read that wrong. after reading through several other regs and
advisory circulars its obvious that this rule applies to all
aircraft. i guess i better print off that letter...

On Jan 22, 11:28*am, Burt Compton - Marfa wrote:

the compass correction card

Burt,

Can you please point me to any regulation that requires a compass
correction card, or even a compass, to be fitted in a US registered
glider. I know of no such regulation and a compass is not required by
my minimum equipment list.

A recent AOPA on-line quiz question about correction cards provided an
incorrect answer to this citing a regulation that referenced only
airplanes but asserting it applied to aircraft.

Maybe there's another regulation that I'm not aware of.

My local FSDO is on an inspection spree so it would be good to be
prepared.

thanks

Andy

On Jan 22, 1:14*pm, Andy wrote:
On Jan 22, 11:28*am, Burt Compton - Marfa wrote:

the compass correction card

Burt,

Can you please point me to any regulation that requires a compass
correction card, or even a compass, to be fitted in a US registered
glider. *I know of no such regulation and a compass is not required by
my minimum equipment list.

A recent AOPA on-line quiz question about correction cards provided an
incorrect answer to this citing a regulation that referenced only
airplanes but asserting it applied to aircraft.

Maybe there's another regulation that I'm not aware of.

My local FSDO is on an inspection spree so it would be good to be
prepared.

thanks

Andy

I think Burt's comment was that the FAA inspectors don't always know
that the compass correction card (or compass) is not required on a
glider. Better to have a plan in place than to argue with an
inspector when they're looking to ground your glider.

Mike

I think Burt's comment was that the FAA inspectors don't always know
that the compass correction card (or compass) is not required on a
glider. *Better to have a plan in place than to argue with an
inspector when they're looking to ground your glider.

Mike

Exactly what I'm saying -- over prepare a bit, have a easy 5 minute
ramp check, then go fly!

Just to confuse the matter further (because I like to do that) might I
suggest a careful reading of 14CFR45.11? The first thing you will
find under "GeneraL" is a "Link to an amendment published at 74 FR
53394, October 16, 2009." If we skip this ammendment for now, you
will read in paragraph (a) that "Aircraft covered under §21.182 of
this chapter must be identified..." So, what does §21.182 say? It
says:

"§ 21.182 Aircraft identification.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, each
applicant for an airworthiness certificate under this subpart must
show that his aircraft is identified as prescribed in §45.11.

(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to applicants for the
following:

(1) A special flight permit.

(2) An experimental certificate for an aircraft not issued for the
purpose of operating amateur-built aircraft, operating primary kit-
built aircraft, or operating light-sport aircraft.

(3) A change from one airworthiness classification to another, for an
aircraft already identified as prescribed in §45.11.

So, the requirement to identify per 45.11 DOES NOT APPLY to aircraft
applying for an Experimental certificate issued for Exhibition and Air
Racing. Or Show Compliance with FARs. Or Market Survey. Or Research
and Development. Says so right there. I am not making this up.
Copied directly from the FAA e-CFRs. You can look it up.

Further down in 45.11, it says "On aircraft manufactured before March
7, 1988, the identification plate required by paragraph (a) of this
section..." Well, paragraph (a) exempts aircraft with an Experimental
Exhibition and Racing Airworthiness Certificate from the requirement
for the plate upon application for an Airworthiness Certificate after
that date, so those manufactured before that date are also exempt from
the requirement, as they referenced a paragraph that provides the
exemption. If you have a Standard Airworthiness Certificate,
Experimental Amateur Built, Primary Kit-Built, or Light Sport, you
have to have the dataplate. New or old manufacture.

Now if you would like to really have the waters muddied, read that
ammendment. As I read it, the requirement to identify gliders
manufactured before the initial issue of the regulation (March 7,
1988) has now been removed. The only gliders that must carry the data
plate are those that apply for an airworthiness certificate after
October 16, 2009 (the date of the ammendment). But not if they apply
for Experimental Exhibition and Racing. Did the SSA maybe influence
the FAA to exempt gliders from the requirement for the external
dataplate? Read the ammendment and let's hear what you think it says!


Steve

Steve Leonard wrote:
Just to confuse the matter further (because I like to do that) might I
suggest a careful reading of 14CFR45.11? The first thing you will
find under "GeneraL" is a "Link to an amendment published at 74 FR
53394, October 16, 2009." If we skip this ammendment for now, you
will read in paragraph (a) that "Aircraft covered under §21.182 of
this chapter must be identified..." So, what does §21.182 say? It
says:

"§ 21.182 Aircraft identification.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, each
applicant for an airworthiness certificate under this subpart must
show that his aircraft is identified as prescribed in §45.11.

(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to applicants for the
following:

(1) A special flight permit.

(2) An experimental certificate for an aircraft not issued for the
purpose of operating amateur-built aircraft, operating primary kit-
built aircraft, or operating light-sport aircraft.

(3) A change from one airworthiness classification to another, for an
aircraft already identified as prescribed in §45.11.

So, the requirement to identify per 45.11 DOES NOT APPLY to aircraft
applying for an Experimental certificate issued for Exhibition and Air
Racing. Or Show Compliance with FARs. Or Market Survey. Or Research
and Development. Says so right there. I am not making this up.
Copied directly from the FAA e-CFRs. You can look it up.

Further down in 45.11, it says "On aircraft manufactured before March
7, 1988, the identification plate required by paragraph (a) of this
section..." Well, paragraph (a) exempts aircraft with an Experimental
Exhibition and Racing Airworthiness Certificate from the requirement
for the plate upon application for an Airworthiness Certificate after
that date, so those manufactured before that date are also exempt from
the requirement, as they referenced a paragraph that provides the
exemption. If you have a Standard Airworthiness Certificate,
Experimental Amateur Built, Primary Kit-Built, or Light Sport, you
have to have the dataplate. New or old manufacture.

Now if you would like to really have the waters muddied, read that
ammendment. As I read it, the requirement to identify gliders
manufactured before the initial issue of the regulation (March 7,
1988) has now been removed. The only gliders that must carry the data
plate are those that apply for an airworthiness certificate after
October 16, 2009 (the date of the ammendment). But not if they apply
for Experimental Exhibition and Racing. Did the SSA maybe influence
the FAA to exempt gliders from the requirement for the external
dataplate? Read the ammendment and let's hear what you think it says!


Steve


To make it easier for the curious, I presume the amendment is the one
he http://tinyurl.com/yc9ufsv.

Steve Leonard wrote:
Just to confuse the matter further (because I like to do that) might I
suggest a careful reading of 14CFR45.11? The first thing you will
find under "GeneraL" is a "Link to an amendment published at 74 FR
53394, October 16, 2009." If we skip this ammendment for now, you
will read in paragraph (a) that "Aircraft covered under §21.182 of
this chapter must be identified..." So, what does §21.182 say? It
says:

"§ 21.182 Aircraft identification.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, each
applicant for an airworthiness certificate under this subpart must
show that his aircraft is identified as prescribed in §45.11.

(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to applicants for the
following:

(1) A special flight permit.

(2) An experimental certificate for an aircraft not issued for the
purpose of operating amateur-built aircraft, operating primary kit-
built aircraft, or operating light-sport aircraft.

(3) A change from one airworthiness classification to another, for an
aircraft already identified as prescribed in §45.11.

So, the requirement to identify per 45.11 DOES NOT APPLY to aircraft
applying for an Experimental certificate issued for Exhibition and Air
Racing. Or Show Compliance with FARs. Or Market Survey. Or Research
and Development. Says so right there. I am not making this up.
Copied directly from the FAA e-CFRs. You can look it up.

Further down in 45.11, it says "On aircraft manufactured before March
7, 1988, the identification plate required by paragraph (a) of this
section..." Well, paragraph (a) exempts aircraft with an Experimental
Exhibition and Racing Airworthiness Certificate from the requirement
for the plate upon application for an Airworthiness Certificate after
that date, so those manufactured before that date are also exempt from
the requirement, as they referenced a paragraph that provides the
exemption. If you have a Standard Airworthiness Certificate,
Experimental Amateur Built, Primary Kit-Built, or Light Sport, you
have to have the dataplate. New or old manufacture.

Now if you would like to really have the waters muddied, read that
ammendment. As I read it, the requirement to identify gliders
manufactured before the initial issue of the regulation (March 7,
1988) has now been removed. The only gliders that must carry the data
plate are those that apply for an airworthiness certificate after
October 16, 2009 (the date of the ammendment). But not if they apply
for Experimental Exhibition and Racing. Did the SSA maybe influence
the FAA to exempt gliders from the requirement for the external
dataplate? Read the ammendment and let's hear what you think it says!


Steve


Sounds like the amendment exempts gliders manufactured before March 7,
1988, while those manufactured after that date still need the fireproof
data plate but it need not be on the exterior.

On Jan 22, 7:02*pm, Burt Compton - Marfa wrote:
I think Burt's comment was that the FAA inspectors don't always know
that the compass correction card (or compass) is not required on a
glider. *Better to have a plan in place than to argue with an
inspector when they're looking to ground your glider.

Mike

Exactly what I'm saying -- over prepare a bit, have a easy 5 minute
ramp check, then go fly!

Don't forget to install an oil pressure and oil temperature gauge as
well. They are required for some aircraft so you must have them in
your glider too!

Andy

On Jan 22, 9:21*pm, Greg Arnold wrote:


To make it easier for the curious, I presume the amendment is the one
he *http://tinyurl.com/yc9ufsv

Yes, Greg. That is the amendment. And I think it exempts all gliders
manufactured prior to that amendment date, or October 16, 2009.
Remember, the paragraph that talks to March 7, 1988 does not apply to
gliders anymore. So, anything in that amendment for glider applies
from the date of the amendment forward. And any application for
airworthiness for Experimental Exhibition and Racing is still exempt
directly from 21.182.

Of course, getting the FAA person to understand their rule may be
another matter!

Steve