FES selflaunch

I would like to inform you that we made first self-launch with FES
installed on Silent 2 sailplane.
You can fiind video of this important moment on:
http://www.front-electric-sustainer.com

Regards,

Luka Znidarsic

On Feb 27, 5:31*am, LimaZulu wrote:
I would like to inform you that we made first self-launch with FES
installed on Silent 2 sailplane.
You can fiind video of this important moment on:http://www.front-electric-sustainer.com
Regards,
Luka Znidarsic

looks very interesting!!!!

Originally Posted by silentpilot

On Feb 27, 5:31*am, LimaZulu wrote:
I would like to inform you that we made first self-launch with FES
installed on Silent 2 sailplane.
You can fiind video of this important moment on:http://www.front-electric-sustainer.com
Regards,
Luka Znidarsic

looks very interesting!!!!

While I am fascinated by the self launcher, the sustainer and the like, I have long been curious as to why a glider with a motor doesn't require an "airplane, single engine, land" license to fly. Just curious.

Walt

On Feb 27, 3:42*pm, Walt Connelly Walt.Connelly.
wrote:
silentpilot;763779 Wrote:

On Feb 27, 5:31*am, LimaZulu wrote:-
I would like to inform you that we made first self-launch with FES
installed on Silent 2 sailplane.
You can fiind video of this important moment
on:http://www.front-electric-sustainer.com
Regards,
Luka Znidarsic-

looks very interesting!!!!

While I am fascinated by the self launcher, the sustainer and the like,
I have long been curious as to why a glider with a motor doesn't require
an "airplane, single engine, land" license to fly. *Just curious. *

Walt

--
Walt Connelly

Because its not a ASEL aircraft. What do you would think would happen
if you set loose a typical power pilot in a self launch motorglider?

Having a background with a power ticket can help a lot but so does
some common sense. The quality of checkouts for a self launch
endorsement vary, and especially if done in a touring style
motorglider need some thought in applciation to a single seater
retracting mast type self launcher with basic operation and emergency
procedures. The user community you often find around particular
motorglider types is a huge asset.

Darryl

On Feb 27, 7:13*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:


Because its not a ASEL aircraft. What do you would think would happen
if you set loose a typical power pilot in a self launch motorglider?

What would happen if you set him loose in a sea plane, a twin or a
jet? It's at least arguable the skill gap between single engine land
and any of those is comparable to that between a pure glider and a
self-launcher yet they each require a specific rating.

Some motorgliders easily approach the complexity and work load of
flying a light twin.

I think Walt has a good question.

Bill Daniels

On Feb 28, 5:16*pm, bildan wrote:
Some motorgliders easily approach the complexity and work load of
flying a light twin.

I think Walt has a good question.

Is there a demonstrated problem? Are there people killing themselves
in motorgliders due to engine handling issues? Is it due to something
that experience in a C152 would help with?

If people are having any problems specific to motorgliders I imagine
it's due to being distracted putting the engine away, or attempting to
start and failing and not having a landing field picked out. Time
banging around a circuit in a 152 isn't going to do anything for that.

Originally Posted by bildan

On Feb 27, 7:13*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:


Because its not a ASEL aircraft. What do you would think would happen
if you set loose a typical power pilot in a self launch motorglider?

What would happen if you set him loose in a sea plane, a twin or a
jet? It's at least arguable the skill gap between single engine land
and any of those is comparable to that between a pure glider and a
self-launcher yet they each require a specific rating.

Some motorgliders easily approach the complexity and work load of
flying a light twin.

I think Walt has a good question.

Bill Daniels

I think my point was missed. I am not opposed to the glider pilot having an engine, I was curious as to how one got around the ASEL situation. In my mind if you put an engine on and glider it becomes an ASEL. Take the pure motor glider with an engine hanging on the nose. Could an ASEL pilot check out in one and fly it legally? Perhaps a light sport pilot could do the same? Sure these things are gonna float like no conventional ASEL would but I'm just asking a question. I need to check the regs on this for myself when I get the chance but I realize this forum contains a plethora of information.

I have a commercial rating for both airplanes and gliders so I think I see both sides of the equation. In my mind, the glider pilot's skill is greater than an equivalent time ASEL type. I learned things I never knew and developed greater skills in flying than I had when I transitioned from power to gliders., But when an ASEL type want to fly a multi, he is required to get a multi engine rating and it appears on his license. Same with seaplane and other different types of ratings. I believe the endorsement is all that is required of a glider pilot for a motor glider, am I right?

For the record I have seen a high time, highly experienced power and glider pilot make a major blunder with his motor out. Scared the crappola out of me and I was standing on the ground at the time. The bottom line is that proper training and check outs are everything.

Walt

On Feb 27, 4:42*pm, Walt Connelly Walt.Connelly.
wrote:
silentpilot;763779 Wrote:

On Feb 27, 5:31*am, LimaZulu wrote:-
I would like to inform you that we made first self-launch with FES
installed on Silent 2 sailplane.
You can fiind video of this important moment
on:http://www.front-electric-sustainer.com
Regards,
Luka Znidarsic-

looks very interesting!!!!

While I am fascinated by the self launcher, the sustainer and the like,
I have long been curious as to why a glider with a motor doesn't require
an "airplane, single engine, land" license to fly. *Just curious. *

Walt

--
Walt Connelly

The simple answer is that if FAA defines a US registered aircraft as a
"glider" then an FAA glider rating is required to fly it. Would you
want the FAA to redefine "glider"?

In many other countries a glider rating or qualification is not
sufficient to fly self launch but it is sufficient to fly a
"sustainer". This is one of the reasons that sustainer engines (aka
turbos) are far more common that engine installations capable of self
launch, except in USA.

Andy

On Feb 28, 7:26*am, Andy wrote:

In many other countries a glider rating or qualification is not
sufficient to fly self launch but it is sufficient to fly a
"sustainer".

I'm going to withdraw this statement since it does not seem to be true
under current EASA rules. After doing a bit of research I'm not sure
anymore that it ever was true.

Under current EASA rules the dividing line seems to be between powered
sailplanes (either self launching, or self sustaining) and touring
motor gliders.

Since we have pilots from all round the world reading this group I'd
be interested in feedback on whether there is now, or ever was, a
difference in qualification required for self launch vs sustainer
(turbo) gliders in your country.

Andy

It was, and still is, true for the UK that “a glider rating or
qualification is not sufficient to fly self launch but it is
sufficient to fly a sustainer”. For a self launch, a PPL is required;
for glider/sustainers, no licence is needed at present. (There is not
only no current legal requirement in the UK;there is no UK CAA-issued
glider pilot licence to hold at present).

EASA pilot licensing for gliders is not yet in force for the UK.

When it comes, I have been told it will continue this distinction, but
with the difference that glider pilots will have to have a licence to
fly gliders.

I have heard that existing glider pilots (unlicensed) will be granted
a licence under a form of “grandfather” rights, I await news of how
that will happen, when (2012?), and at what cost.

Chris N.