iPhone X and iGlide - the verdict is in.

The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 8:27:44 PM UTC-8, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider.. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike

I found the iPad mini to be a little dim for my eyes. If you find it adequately readable, you can connect it to the vario with the Air Connect, which serves any LX style serial stream (and I think maybe C302?) over WiFi.

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 10:27:44 PM UTC-6, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider.. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike

The iPAD mini in my Phoenix just snaps into the mount. I don't know who makes the mount, but it works very well, and there is no modification required to the iPAD.

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 9:25:55 PM UTC-8, Mike Schumann wrote:
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 10:27:44 PM UTC-6, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike

The iPAD mini in my Phoenix just snaps into the mount. I don't know who makes the mount, but it works very well, and there is no modification required to the iPAD.

RAM make "roller cradles" for most tablets.
The roller cradle is a very good system.
Jim

Does the iThingy have Bluetooth or wifi?Â* Either of those would be the
way for data transfer to/from the vario.Â* At least that's how it works
in the Android world.

On 11/30/2017 9:27 PM, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike

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Dan, 5J

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:47:40 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
Does the iThingy have Bluetooth or wifi?Â* Either of those would be the
way for data transfer to/from the vario.Â* At least that's how it works
in the Android world.

On 11/30/2017 9:27 PM, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike

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Dan, 5J

From what I understand...the IPhone can only be connected via wifi to a flight computer, none of the blue tooth connectors popular in soaring will work, but I stand to be corrected.
I also understand that the Iglide system has some type of "climb maximizer", what I don't understand is how well does it work without the normal flight computer information/data stream? Is there anyone actually using it with wifi and than what kind?
WinPilot claims that their CM will work only through wifi connection with a flight computer. But than WP is another story....

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8, 6PK wrote:
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:47:40 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
Does the iThingy have Bluetooth or wifi?Â* Either of those would be the
way for data transfer to/from the vario.Â* At least that's how it works
in the Android world.

On 11/30/2017 9:27 PM, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike

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Dan, 5J

From what I understand...the IPhone can only be connected via wifi to a flight computer, none of the blue tooth connectors popular in soaring will work, but I stand to be corrected.
I also understand that the Iglide system has some type of "climb maximizer", what I don't understand is how well does it work without the normal flight computer information/data stream? Is there anyone actually using it with wifi and than what kind?
WinPilot claims that their CM will work only through wifi connection with a flight computer. But than WP is another story....

You are correct that iGlide must use WiFi. This can be connected to any vario system that puts out an LX compatible (And possibly C302) serial stream, using the Air Connect WiFi bridge. It will not work with Bluetooth - I believe this is due to Apple's very restrictive use of Bluetooth. It will connect directly to an Air Vario with a WiFi stick.

The climb maximizer or thermal assistant is the rather typical trail of dots, the size of each represents the rate of climb. That is similar to SYM, XCSoar, etc. I don't find that particularly useful. If connected to an Air Vario however, you will get, in each dot, an instantaneous wind vector. This is highly useful. The flow field in and near a thermal deviates towards the core, and this is easily seen in the wind vectors. No other vario will do that, since they do not compute wind fast enough.

Without a connection to any vario, iGlide makes a very functional glide computer using the iPhone GPS and barometric sensors. You will not get variometer function or Flarm targets, but pretty much everything else. There have been occasions when my iPhone disconnected from the vario, it then defaults to internal, and I have not noticed the change for some time at it works nearly as well.

A minor nit:Â* XCSoar uses line, the width of which varies with climb
rate, rather than individual dots.Â* I find it very intuitive.

On 12/3/2017 2:26 PM, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8, 6PK wrote:
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:47:40 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
Does the iThingy have Bluetooth or wifi?Â* Either of those would be the
way for data transfer to/from the vario.Â* At least that's how it works
in the Android world.

On 11/30/2017 9:27 PM, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike
--
Dan, 5J
From what I understand...the IPhone can only be connected via wifi to a flight computer, none of the blue tooth connectors popular in soaring will work, but I stand to be corrected.
I also understand that the Iglide system has some type of "climb maximizer", what I don't understand is how well does it work without the normal flight computer information/data stream? Is there anyone actually using it with wifi and than what kind?
WinPilot claims that their CM will work only through wifi connection with a flight computer. But than WP is another story....
You are correct that iGlide must use WiFi. This can be connected to any vario system that puts out an LX compatible (And possibly C302) serial stream, using the Air Connect WiFi bridge. It will not work with Bluetooth - I believe this is due to Apple's very restrictive use of Bluetooth. It will connect directly to an Air Vario with a WiFi stick.

The climb maximizer or thermal assistant is the rather typical trail of dots, the size of each represents the rate of climb. That is similar to SYM, XCSoar, etc. I don't find that particularly useful. If connected to an Air Vario however, you will get, in each dot, an instantaneous wind vector. This is highly useful. The flow field in and near a thermal deviates towards the core, and this is easily seen in the wind vectors. No other vario will do that, since they do not compute wind fast enough.

Without a connection to any vario, iGlide makes a very functional glide computer using the iPhone GPS and barometric sensors. You will not get variometer function or Flarm targets, but pretty much everything else. There have been occasions when my iPhone disconnected from the vario, it then defaults to internal, and I have not noticed the change for some time at it works nearly as well.

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Dan, 5J

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
A minor nit:Â* XCSoar uses line, the width of which varies with climb
rate, rather than individual dots.Â* I find it very intuitive.

On 12/3/2017 2:26 PM, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8, 6PK wrote:
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:47:40 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
Does the iThingy have Bluetooth or wifi?Â* Either of those would be the
way for data transfer to/from the vario.Â* At least that's how it works
in the Android world.

On 11/30/2017 9:27 PM, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike
--
Dan, 5J
From what I understand...the IPhone can only be connected via wifi to a flight computer, none of the blue tooth connectors popular in soaring will work, but I stand to be corrected.
I also understand that the Iglide system has some type of "climb maximizer", what I don't understand is how well does it work without the normal flight computer information/data stream? Is there anyone actually using it with wifi and than what kind?
WinPilot claims that their CM will work only through wifi connection with a flight computer. But than WP is another story....
You are correct that iGlide must use WiFi. This can be connected to any vario system that puts out an LX compatible (And possibly C302) serial stream, using the Air Connect WiFi bridge. It will not work with Bluetooth - I believe this is due to Apple's very restrictive use of Bluetooth. It will connect directly to an Air Vario with a WiFi stick.

The climb maximizer or thermal assistant is the rather typical trail of dots, the size of each represents the rate of climb. That is similar to SYM, XCSoar, etc. I don't find that particularly useful. If connected to an Air Vario however, you will get, in each dot, an instantaneous wind vector. This is highly useful. The flow field in and near a thermal deviates towards the core, and this is easily seen in the wind vectors. No other vario will do that, since they do not compute wind fast enough.

Without a connection to any vario, iGlide makes a very functional glide computer using the iPhone GPS and barometric sensors. You will not get variometer function or Flarm targets, but pretty much everything else. There have been occasions when my iPhone disconnected from the vario, it then defaults to internal, and I have not noticed the change for some time at it works nearly as well.

--
Dan, 5J

XCSoar has, or has had, several styles of presentation. It cannot depict the wind in the thermal though. When using XCSoar I prefer the simple thermal center indication, along with the circling arc prediction. In thermal assistants, no one has yet come close to duplicating the original WinPilot version, both in presentation and accuracy. ClearNav has recently copied it directly, at least the presentation - I don't know how accurate it is. WinPilot has said they will port the old thermal assistant to the new WinPilot Live, but I haven't seen it yet.

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:49:25 PM UTC-8, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
A minor nit:Â* XCSoar uses line, the width of which varies with climb
rate, rather than individual dots.Â* I find it very intuitive.

On 12/3/2017 2:26 PM, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8, 6PK wrote:
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:47:40 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
Does the iThingy have Bluetooth or wifi?Â* Either of those would be the
way for data transfer to/from the vario.Â* At least that's how it works
in the Android world.

On 11/30/2017 9:27 PM, SoaringXCellence wrote:
The iPad Mini is roughly the same size as the Nexus 7 I used in my glider. Get a Ram system (one inch ball) and screw a diamond ball to a hard shell case for the Mini. Should be too tough. The hard part may be the connection between the vario and the iPad.

Mike
--
Dan, 5J
From what I understand...the IPhone can only be connected via wifi to a flight computer, none of the blue tooth connectors popular in soaring will work, but I stand to be corrected.
I also understand that the Iglide system has some type of "climb maximizer", what I don't understand is how well does it work without the normal flight computer information/data stream? Is there anyone actually using it with wifi and than what kind?
WinPilot claims that their CM will work only through wifi connection with a flight computer. But than WP is another story....
You are correct that iGlide must use WiFi. This can be connected to any vario system that puts out an LX compatible (And possibly C302) serial stream, using the Air Connect WiFi bridge. It will not work with Bluetooth - I believe this is due to Apple's very restrictive use of Bluetooth. It will connect directly to an Air Vario with a WiFi stick.

The climb maximizer or thermal assistant is the rather typical trail of dots, the size of each represents the rate of climb. That is similar to SYM, XCSoar, etc. I don't find that particularly useful. If connected to an Air Vario however, you will get, in each dot, an instantaneous wind vector.. This is highly useful. The flow field in and near a thermal deviates towards the core, and this is easily seen in the wind vectors. No other vario will do that, since they do not compute wind fast enough.

Without a connection to any vario, iGlide makes a very functional glide computer using the iPhone GPS and barometric sensors. You will not get variometer function or Flarm targets, but pretty much everything else. There have been occasions when my iPhone disconnected from the vario, it then defaults to internal, and I have not noticed the change for some time at it works nearly as well.

--
Dan, 5J

XCSoar has, or has had, several styles of presentation. It cannot depict the wind in the thermal though. When using XCSoar I prefer the simple thermal center indication, along with the circling arc prediction. In thermal assistants, no one has yet come close to duplicating the original WinPilot version, both in presentation and accuracy. ClearNav has recently copied it directly, at least the presentation - I don't know how accurate it is. WinPilot has said they will port the old thermal assistant to the new WinPilot Live, but I haven't seen it yet.

I updated last year to the new CNv XC vario.
It is a good system, the thermal assistant is a direct "look alike" copy of WM but leaves something to be desired compared to the original WP version.. It is better than SYM has to offer by far, I don't think it is as accurate as XCsoar or TopHat has to offer through, I must say they come the closest to WP, I just wish they had incorporated a pointer, one could just glance rather than look at it.( I am running TopHat/Kobo connected to the CNv )
This feature was not the only reason I bought the CNv XC vario; I like it and I am not totally disappointed with it, but at the least the TA feature does leave room for improvements.
I think WP did came up with the correct algorithm years ago.