Lost comm altitude?

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:11:33 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

The Dutchess Four Departure has lost comm instructions which read, "If
radio contact is not established/lost for more than two minutes after
departing, proceed on course and climb to 5000 feet. Ten minutes after
departure, climb to requested altitude/flight level".

Let's say my clearance is "Cleared to HPN via Dutchess Four, V157,
HAARP, direct. Maintain 3000, expect 4000 after 10". If I go lost
comm, do they expect me to climb to 5000, stay there for 10 minutes,
then descend back down to 4000? Or stop my climb at 4000? Or climb to
5000 and stay there (which would presumably leave me WAFDOF).

I'm inclined to think stopping my climb at 4000 makes the most sense,
but one could make arguments in support of any of the alternatives.


I would do exactly as the chart states and not try to second-guess the
reasons. (Except that after ten minutes, to get from 5000 to 4000
obviously requires a descent).

Well, descending when told to climb is itself a kind of second-guessing of
the chart's intent--and to me it waves a rather bright red flag!

--Gary

Certainly if you climbed to 5000 when cleared to 4000, that would also
serve to get ATC's attention, and might lead to sooner establishment of
radio contact.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:40:23 GMT, "Gary Drescher"
wrote:

Well, descending when told to climb is itself a kind of second-guessing of
the chart's intent--and to me it waves a rather bright red flag!


How long do you think you would have to climb to get from 5,000' MSL to
4,000' MSL? g

It probably depends in part on your theory of the universe.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:40:23 GMT, "Gary Drescher"
wrote:

Well, descending when told to climb is itself a kind of second-guessing
of
the chart's intent--and to me it waves a rather bright red flag!

How long do you think you would have to climb to get from 5,000' MSL to
4,000' MSL? g

It probably depends in part on your theory of the universe.

Yup. The mathematician in me wants to regard a descent as just a
negative-rate climb, but the pilot in me balks.

--Gary


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)