Best Club class glider

On Dec 12, 8:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.

Re-lighting a fire.... I would avoid an LS anything, or a DG anything.
Both for the same reason, though the airframes are fine. Like many, I
recommend a good trailer, good finish, and ease of assembly.
Ruggedness is also a plus.

On Monday, December 12, 2011 8:36:09 PM UTC-8, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
On Dec 12, 8:40*am, Paul T wrote:

Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a

JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has

bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which

would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's

would be of the following:-



Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?



ASW19/19B



ASW15B



LSIF



DG100/101



Std Jantar 2/3



Glasflugel Std Libelle



Glasflugel Hornet



Pegase



I'll have about £15k max to spend.



Re-lighting a fire.... I would avoid an LS anything, or a DG anything.

Both for the same reason, though the airframes are fine. Like many, I

recommend a good trailer, good finish, and ease of assembly.

Ruggedness is also a pl

I am an old Ka6 Pilot (ca 500 hours) looking to get back into soaring after nearly 2 decades out Am looking for a good, moderate cost ship with the docility of the Ka6 but enough performance to finish up my badges.
Found this thread.
Curious why you don't recommend 'an LS anything'. I was considering an LS3A..
Also considering an ASW19, H201B. All comments appreciated.
John Murphy

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:23:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, December 12, 2011 8:36:09 PM UTC-8, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:

On Dec 12, 8:40*am, Paul T wrote:



Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a

...


I am an old Ka6 Pilot (ca 500 hours) looking to get back into soaring after nearly 2 decades out Am looking for a good, moderate cost ship with the docility of the Ka6 but enough performance to finish up my badges.

Found this thread.

Curious why you don't recommend 'an LS anything'. I was considering an LS3A.

Also considering an ASW19, H201B. All comments appreciated.

John Murphy



Because of DG's annual service contract subscription requirement for most LS prior to the later LS-8/10, and quite a few older DG sailplanes.

Without this, DG will not sell you parts.

http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/index.php?id=betreuung-e

On Dec 12, 8:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.

Paul,
The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions
you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't
run all that well.....................probably a good selection for
weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said
for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my
choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a
good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time
you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy.
Cheers,
JJ

In a word: Mosquito.


"JJ Sinclair" wrote in message
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On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford
a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.

Paul,
The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions
you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't
run all that well.....................probably a good selection for
weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said
for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my
choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a
good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time
you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy.
Cheers,
JJ

....or is that not a "Club Class" glider?


"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
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In a word: Mosquito.


"JJ Sinclair" wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford
a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.

Paul,
The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions
you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't
run all that well.....................probably a good selection for
weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said
for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my
choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a
good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time
you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy.
Cheers,
JJ

It is.

Although the Mini Nimbus is not on the approved IGC list.

Go figure.

Mike

On Dec 13, 10:36*am, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
...or is that not a "Club Class" glider?

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message

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In a word: *Mosquito.

"JJ Sinclair" wrote in message
....
On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford
a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.

Paul,
The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions
you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't
run all that well.....................probably a good selection for
weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said
for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my
choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a
good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time
you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy.
Cheers,
JJ

Mosquito is a great ship but it's not in the club class (it's flapped) and
would however fit into the European "Racing class" where they do allow
flapped gliders.....( also mentioned was the .Mini-Nimbus but it's a poor
comparison and lacks many good features of the Mosquito!)
Hence, the Hornet is the real 1st choice for "club" class being similar to
the Mosquito but without flaps and has a different airfoil as well......
I've owned and flown both the Hornet and Mosquito and neither has the
"exceptions" of the rest like manual hook-up's, small ineffective dive
brakes, all flying tails, lift off canopies, small uncomfortable cockpits or
infamous DG/LS support (lack of) issues .it's just really hard to pick on
these terrific Glasflugel ships.......
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com


"Mike" wrote in message
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It is.

Although the Mini Nimbus is not on the approved IGC list.

Go figure.

Mike

On Dec 13, 10:36 am, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
...or is that not a "Club Class" glider?

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message

...







In a word: Mosquito.

"JJ Sinclair" wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't
afford
a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale
has
bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered
which
would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and
con's
would be of the following:-

Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?

ASW19/19B

ASW15B

LSIF

DG100/101

Std Jantar 2/3

Glasflugel Std Libelle

Glasflugel Hornet

Pegase

I'll have about £15k max to spend.

Paul,
The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions
you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't
run all that well.....................probably a good selection for
weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said
for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my
choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a
good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time
you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy.
Cheers,
JJ


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A partner and I recently bought a Mini Nimbus, although not for competitions (I don't think, anyway, I'm pretty much a newbie and it's a first glider for me).

But I can echo what others say about thr trailer and ease of assembly. We got a decent Cobra trailer, which does need some work but not much, and every time I fly it I am grateful for the trailer.

When we first tried to assemble it we gave up after about three hours, deciding we'd made a big mistake. But a bit of persistence, very examination of the nevessary alignment, and careful development of a good checklist has me routinely assembling and disassembling it singlehandedly. Worth platinum, that.

And I'm growing to love the way it flies. Great climb (+8 flaps), decent legs, roomy cockpit, comfortable flying at higher speeds (-4 and -7 flaps, I just love them), and an awesome trailing-edge spoiler linked to flaps that drop into speed brake position that allow for very steep descents.

The only thing I don't like (read: hate) is the CG hook. I'm learning to deal with it (negative flaps on starting the TO roll, switching to 0 or +8 before lift off, quite necessary as my ho.e airport features most takeoffs with a quartering tailwind). It's already produced a ground loop on one TO and a PT3 when I yawed right to take out a slack line just as the tow plane turned left, causing the CG hook to back-release.

Now if I could only fly it half as well as it can be flown I would be in permanent heaven.

Van

Dan, do you own a Mosquito?

On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:35:17 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
In a word: Mosquito.





"JJ Sinclair" wrote in message

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On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote:

Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford

a

JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has

bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which

would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's

would be of the following:-



Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ?



ASW19/19B



ASW15B



LSIF



DG100/101



Std Jantar 2/3



Glasflugel Std Libelle



Glasflugel Hornet



Pegase



I'll have about £15k max to spend.



Paul,

The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions

you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't

run all that well.....................probably a good selection for

weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said

for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my

choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a

good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time

you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy.

Cheers,

JJ