Another SR22

Stefan writes:

And this is exactly the dangerous mindset.

Agreed. The safe way to fly is as if the parachute didn't exist. You
only pull the parachute when the alternative would be death. If you
are thinking about the parachute all the time, it might make you
reckless.

You see the same thing with antiskid braking systems. People know
they are there and assume that the systems will always stop them
safely, even in slippery conditions. What they overlook is that the
systems don't change the minimum stopping distances--they just help
ensure that those minimums are achievable. If the car can't stop
before hitting the tree, antiskid braking won't help.

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gwengler writes:

You're probably right. But the point is, this is not supposed to
happen to Cirrus airplanes! Because as soon as a pilot gets into
trouble he has the option to pull the chute and save the day.

I thought my simulator was supposed to more closely approach real
life, but now it sounds like real life is trying to approach
simulation. If a problem develops, just pull the handle and start a
new game ...

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"Kingfish" wrote in message
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Terry wrote:
What's with the SR22 crashes? Another one went down Arizona yesterday.

I doubt there's any more of them crashing than Pipers or Cessnas. They
do seem to make more of a stir when they do because of the national
attention focused on them. Now that Cirrus has overtaken Cessna in
production the fleet is getting larger fairly quickly.


The size of the Cirrus fleet isn't even a flea on an elephant compared to
the Cessna fleet.

Dave,

The size of the Cirrus fleet isn't even a flea on an elephant compared to
the Cessna fleet.


You're comparing apples and oranges. Try again with new Cessnas (since 1996
or whenever they started building their antiques again) and Cirruses.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Dave,

The size of the Cirrus fleet isn't even a flea on an elephant compared to
the Cessna fleet.


You're comparing apples and oranges. Try again with new Cessnas (since
1996
or whenever they started building their antiques again) and Cirruses.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

It's not me comparing apples to oranges it's those comparing Cessna
accidents to Cirrus accidents forgetting the Cessna fleet is near infinite
compared to the Cirrus fleet.

Dave Stadt wrote:

It's not me comparing apples to oranges it's those comparing Cessna
accidents to Cirrus accidents forgetting the Cessna fleet is near infinite
compared to the Cirrus fleet.

No argument there, it really is apples & oranges. My point in making
the Piper and Cessna comparison is that the Cirruses (Cirri?) aren't
crashing any more often than other makes, it just seems that way
because of heightened interested in the type, (especially after the NYC
crash) thereby an accident involving a Cirrus stands out more. Maybe
it's a perception thing? With Cirrus cranking out so many planes now,
and surpassing Cessna in piston single sales/production, I'd expect
we'll hear of more accidents simply due to the rapidly expanding fleet.
I don't think it's an indictment of the safety of Cirrus aircraft,
though.

"Terry" wrote in message
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What's with the SR22 crashes? Another one went down Arizona yesterday.


Seems like pilots overestimate the performance of the aircraft to me. With
the chute as "backup" and the advanced electronics I think pilots are
entering into a false sense of security that this advanced aircraft can
handle wahtever you throw at it. Also it seems like Cirrus is promoting the
aircraft to low time, high cash pilots, it is the new Bonanza! I'll stick to
the C172 and occasional trips around the practice area in a C182. Maybe I am
a wuss but I'm not wild about any aircraft in IMC weather that doesn't have
the performance to climb to 25,000 feet. Flying in the **** with a small
performance envelope is not inside my comfort zone.

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DW

Darkwing wrote:
Seems like pilots overestimate the performance of the aircraft to me. With
the chute as "backup" and the advanced electronics I think pilots are
entering into a false sense of security that this advanced aircraft can
handle wahtever you throw at it.

That's pretty much what I arrived at too.

Also it seems like Cirrus is promoting the aircraft to low time, high cash pilots,

While I can't back it up I get that impression too, and my gut tells me
the training might not be adequate for these fast airplanes when being
flown by low time pilots


Maybe I am a wuss but I'm not wild about any aircraft in IMC weather that doesn't have the performance to climb to 25,000 feet. Flying in the **** with a small performance envelope is not inside my comfort zone.

I've been spoiled by the Pilatus and am definitely more on edge when in
IMC in something small & slow. It's definitely an adjustment when
you're used to a 2,000fpm+ climb rate and find yourself in a plane
that's struggling to make 700fpm

I have to agree, I think it is very difficult to get in a brand new
Cirrus with a brand new glass panel with moving maps displayes and
understand that it really doesn't have an more capabilty than a 40 year
old Bonanza with 20 year old avionics in it. (Add a Garmin 155 if want
to have all the same capabilty)

Brian




Darkwing wrote:
"Terry" wrote in message
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What's with the SR22 crashes? Another one went down Arizona yesterday.


Seems like pilots overestimate the performance of the aircraft to me. With
the chute as "backup" and the advanced electronics I think pilots are
entering into a false sense of security that this advanced aircraft can
handle wahtever you throw at it. Also it seems like Cirrus is promoting the
aircraft to low time, high cash pilots, it is the new Bonanza! I'll stick to
the C172 and occasional trips around the practice area in a C182. Maybe I am
a wuss but I'm not wild about any aircraft in IMC weather that doesn't have
the performance to climb to 25,000 feet. Flying in the **** with a small
performance envelope is not inside my comfort zone.

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DW

Brian,

(Add a Garmin 155 if want
to have all the same capabilty)


Sorry, but that's just BS.

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