Electric locomotion will replace internal combustion

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

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On Sep 17, 7:24*pm, wrote:

If you have some real source, i.e. a real company or university, of better
battery technology, let's see it.

Pie in the sky press releases don't count, only lab results.

--
Jim Pennino

http://www.sequence-omega.net/2009/1...-on-batteries/

"Nissan's Leaf is planning to bring pure electric driving to
consumers sometime in late 2010 or early 2011. However work
is almost complete on more advanced batteries, ones that can
double the amount of energy storage capacity of current batteries."

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Mark

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:36:16 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

Just from memory...my recall

Uh and where else does memory come from?
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:36:16 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

Now...the downside is that over 50%, probably 70% maybe 110% of the
recharging current is derived from coal. Mountains are being blown
apart and leveled as we speak. Dogs and cats are living together.

Sulphur, acid, mercury, my farts and other nasty things are filling
the skys. "The world's largest conveyor belt" is how scientists
describe the coal trains that never stop. They are connected
boxcars...300 miles long...spaced 45 days apart...and they run 24
hours a day, 8 days a week.

I loooooooove you. 8 days a week.

My **** has to stop. I have been the only fukknutzoid to diarrhea
like this for the last 20 years. Now China is copying my stupidity.
We must look to Europe as a role model for the world. The Frogs of
France and the Potheads Of Denmark.

So recharging stations must be fed by renewable power
that doesn't kill the earth. If this doesn't change, there will
be no such thing as great grandchildren for anyone under
the age of 30 today. I could care less, I pack turds.

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Mark The Turd Packing Fukknutzoid

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Mark wrote:
On Sep 17, 7:24Â*pm, wrote:

If you have some real source, i.e. a real company or university, of better
battery technology, let's see it.

Pie in the sky press releases don't count, only lab results.

--
Jim Pennino

http://www.sequence-omega.net/2009/1...-on-batteries/

"Nissan's Leaf is planning to bring pure electric driving to
consumers sometime in late 2010 or early 2011. However work
is almost complete on more advanced batteries, ones that can
double the amount of energy storage capacity of current batteries."

Pie in the sky press release.

"If we were to ... in a hypothetical generation two LEAF ... we could ..."

If you don't have numbers for MJ/L or MJ/kg, don't bother.


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Jim Pennino

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Mark wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:00Â*pm, wrote:

No one other than a rich enviro-whinner is going to buy a $41,000 car that
can only go 40 miles.

"They’ve outfitted a Saturn Sky with electronic components that allows
the car to travel 150 miles on one battery charge that costs as much
as a single gallon of gasoline."

http://www.wlwt.com/r/17226175/detail.html

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Mark

One off prototypes and research vehicles don't count.

Make, model, range, price, and a real sales date or don't bother.


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Jim Pennino

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Mark wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:00Â*pm, wrote:

No one other than a rich enviro-whinner is going to buy a $41,000 car that
can only go 40 miles.

Wrong. Technology has them going nearly 200 miles.

Model, price, public sales date, and specifications?

We are talking about pure electric cars, not hybrids.

Like the Chevy Volt at $41,000 after government subsidies.

The number one reason for a poor showing in Chevy Volt
sales is...Time Travel. Â*This is 2010. Â*They come out in
2011.

I guess you missed the fact that the next year's car models come out at the
end of the year and have done so since at least the end of WWII.

The 2011 Volt goes on sale in November 2010.

So you're asserting that a car which hasn't been available to the
public, and has never been for sale anywhere in the world,
has poor sales numbers and this proves that there is no
market demand for electric cars. grin

Nope, the experience in Spain proves that there is no market for pure
electric cars.

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Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article ,
george wrote:
The word is torque and a 40 ton load that has to be delivered a
thousand mile away is going to require the internal combustion engine

Or a train. Which could be electric.

Again, it's all about economics. If electric vehicles for short-haul and
electric trains became sufficiently cheap, the transportation industry
would switch back to using trains for long haul and trucks for local
delivery almost overnight.

Nope, trains are already cheap for bulk cargo.

The issue is trains don't go everywhere, or even anywhere close to everywhere
in a country the size of the US.

Trains work great in small European nations which aren't much larger than
some of our counties.


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 18, 1:21*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:00*pm, wrote:

No one other than a rich enviro-whinner is going to buy a $41,000 car that
can only go 40 miles.

"They’ve outfitted a Saturn Sky with electronic components that allows
the car to travel 150 miles on one battery charge that costs as much
as a single gallon of gasoline."

http://www.wlwt.com/r/17226175/detail.html

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Mark

One off prototypes and research vehicles don't count.

Make, model, range, price, and a real sales date or don't bother.

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Jim Pennino

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I'm not gonna play this game again with you where you
pretend like I've not already given you this information.

This is why I walked away from our discussion about
LSAs and other topics. Either that, or you just flat out
look at the data and say the source knows less than
you.

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Mark

On Sep 18, 1:44*pm, wrote:
Edward A. Falk wrote:

In article ,
george wrote:
The word is torque and a 40 ton load that has to be delivered a
thousand mile away is going to require the internal combustion engine

Or a train. *Which could be electric.

Again, it's all about economics. *If electric vehicles for short-haul and
electric trains became sufficiently cheap, the transportation industry
would switch back to using trains for long haul and trucks for local
delivery almost overnight.

Nope, trains are already cheap for bulk cargo.

They are antiques which are being under-utilized.

The issue is trains don't go everywhere, or even anywhere close to everywhere
in a country the size of the US.

No. The issue is that they aren't electric, and our crumbling
infrastructure
and ignorant, city-sprawl, urban planners are going to have to:

1. Go back to the drawing board to accomodate
efficiency

2. Create jobs to implement and maintain this

3. Entice corporate America to think outside of the
box and learn how to integrate their transportation
needs to mesh with the new system by taking
advantage of new corridors built for this.

Trains work great in small European nations which aren't much larger than
some of our counties.

Yes, and they also work great in America if there are 21st
century depot accomodations.

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Mark

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Jim Pennino