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"A Lieberman" wrote in message ... The radar outage would only be for a small segment of the flight. Why go so high when I don't need to. Because it's the only way to get what you want. |
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"A Lieberman" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:41:31 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote: I still don't get it. If you have to go to 7000 to ensure radar coverage then that's how high you'd have to go for that second pair of eyes. If you're high enough to ensure radar coverage you're high enough to be cleared direct. The radar outage would only be for a small segment of the flight. Why go so high when I don't need to. It seems you need to. Not withstanding it is safer, cooler, smoother, and usually more efficient to be higher. Or, go IFR, and learn how to work with ATC better to get what you want. Karl |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:06:00 -0500, A Lieberman
wrote: Scenario 1.... Severe clear weather from point A to point B going east. MRA is 7000 in which part of this area is below ATC radar coverage from past experience. Highest OROCA enroute is 2600, filing is direct from airport to airport. If I filed "VFR on top" /G for 3500, would I be legal to file this plan since I would be able to maintain visual flight rules (VFR)? Scenario 2..... Throw in an active MOA to the above. I would assume that I would get vectors or an amended clearance around the active MOA even though I am "VFR on top". Would this be a correct assumption? Allen Of course it would be legal to file. But don't count on getting it g. ATC may not (is not allowed to) issue you an off airway routing outside of radar coverage and outside of NAVAID standard service areas. At least not in the lower 48. There are some exceptions in Alaska, and it may someday be possible to do this down here, too. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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Ron Rosenfeld wrote: ATC may not (is not allowed to) issue you an off airway routing outside of radar coverage and outside of NAVAID standard service areas. At least not in the lower 48. Bah, Salt Lake allows that all the time. To the north of us the radar coverage is poor below about 9000. The ground here is at 3650 and gets lower the farther north you go. ZLC regularly terminates aircraft after we send them and asks them to make occasional reports. |
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"Newps" wrote in message . .. Bah, Salt Lake allows that all the time. To the north of us the radar coverage is poor below about 9000. The ground here is at 3650 and gets lower the farther north you go. ZLC regularly terminates aircraft after we send them and asks them to make occasional reports. While ignorant controllers at ZLC may do it regularly it is not allowed. |
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:13:12 -0600, Newps wrote:
Ron Rosenfeld wrote: ATC may not (is not allowed to) issue you an off airway routing outside of radar coverage and outside of NAVAID standard service areas. At least not in the lower 48. Bah, Salt Lake allows that all the time. To the north of us the radar coverage is poor below about 9000. The ground here is at 3650 and gets lower the farther north you go. ZLC regularly terminates aircraft after we send them and asks them to make occasional reports. You've written this before. I did not speak to the point as to whether certain controllers do this or not. Only as to whether or not it is in accord with the regulations. Where is the exception to the radar monitoring requirement for random routes outside of the NAVAID Use limitation (and below FL 450 for RNAV a/c) that is being applied by ZLC for this procedure? Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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