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"Refusing to Handle You"
So, an interesting thing happened today. I am at a fly-in at Hagerstown and about to head back to my home-base at York (THV). I can see from the PC they had there that there is a line of heavy rain and possibly thunderstorms blocking my route back. There is no way around it to the north, but there is a way to the south. So, instead of the usual KHGR-SCAPE-THV to take me north of Camp David, I file a route via HGR-MRB-EMI to so south and get in to York through the back door. When I pick up my clearance, I am given the route via SCAPE, but I "unable" that for weather, and they go away for a few minutes, and then clear me as filed. I take off, and everything is fine, until I'm headed southbound from the HGR VOR, when the Washington Center controller calls me and says "Err, 8096J, Potomac Approach is refusing to handle you, say intentions." So now, here I am, in the air with two small kids on board, and being turned back towards what was, a while back at least, some nasty weather. I ask for a hold at HGR to consider my options, and luckily, by now the StormScope is showing the line has dissipated. Now, I'm not happy, 'cos I know there's been cells appearing along that route all PM, but I have little choice, so I take the SCAPE route. All ends well, and we have an almost smooth ride, but I was amazed that they gave me a clearance for that route, and then wouldn't honor it! Comments??? |
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"Mike Granby" wrote in message ups.com... So, an interesting thing happened today. I am at a fly-in at Hagerstown and about to head back to my home-base at York (THV). I can see from the PC they had there that there is a line of heavy rain and possibly thunderstorms blocking my route back. There is no way around it to the north, but there is a way to the south. So, instead of the usual KHGR-SCAPE-THV to take me north of Camp David, I file a route via HGR-MRB-EMI to so south and get in to York through the back door. When I pick up my clearance, I am given the route via SCAPE, but I "unable" that for weather, and they go away for a few minutes, and then clear me as filed. I take off, and everything is fine, until I'm headed southbound from the HGR VOR, when the Washington Center controller calls me and says "Err, 8096J, Potomac Approach is refusing to handle you, say intentions." So now, here I am, in the air with two small kids on board, and being turned back towards what was, a while back at least, some nasty weather. I ask for a hold at HGR to consider my options, and luckily, by now the StormScope is showing the line has dissipated. Now, I'm not happy, 'cos I know there's been cells appearing along that route all PM, but I have little choice, so I take the SCAPE route. All ends well, and we have an almost smooth ride, but I was amazed that they gave me a clearance for that route, and then wouldn't honor it! Comments??? Some TRACONs simply do not handle thruflights, that may be the case here. One way around that is to make a stop at a field within that TRACON's airspace. Then you're not a thruflight, you're an arrival and a departure. |
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One way around that is to make a stop at a field within that TRACON's airspace. I know someone who pulled this trick on NYC TRACON once, but he even had the nerve to call them as he neared the airport he'd file to, and ask to change his destination to where he really want to go! Apparently, there was much sighing from the controller, but in the end, the pilot got what he wanted. |
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Mike,
A phone call to their QA/QC dept. in order. 540-349-7500 main number 540-349-7548 QC dept. if no answer in a couple of days call the number below. 540-349-7505 for the QC Manager. Have the time, frequency and tail number ready. You will likely need to leave a phone message. Let them know they refused the hand off from Washington. Michelle Mike Granby wrote: So, an interesting thing happened today. I am at a fly-in at Hagerstown and about to head back to my home-base at York (THV). I can see from the PC they had there that there is a line of heavy rain and possibly thunderstorms blocking my route back. There is no way around it to the north, but there is a way to the south. So, instead of the usual KHGR-SCAPE-THV to take me north of Camp David, I file a route via HGR-MRB-EMI to so south and get in to York through the back door. When I pick up my clearance, I am given the route via SCAPE, but I "unable" that for weather, and they go away for a few minutes, and then clear me as filed. I take off, and everything is fine, until I'm headed southbound from the HGR VOR, when the Washington Center controller calls me and says "Err, 8096J, Potomac Approach is refusing to handle you, say intentions." So now, here I am, in the air with two small kids on board, and being turned back towards what was, a while back at least, some nasty weather. I ask for a hold at HGR to consider my options, and luckily, by now the StormScope is showing the line has dissipated. Now, I'm not happy, 'cos I know there's been cells appearing along that route all PM, but I have little choice, so I take the SCAPE route. All ends well, and we have an almost smooth ride, but I was amazed that they gave me a clearance for that route, and then wouldn't honor it! Comments??? |
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On 16 Jul 2005 15:08:22 -0700, Mike Granby wrote:
southbound from the HGR VOR, when the Washington Center controller calls me and says "Err, 8096J, Potomac Approach is refusing to handle you, say intentions." Mike, You are PIC. I would have declared an emergency and squawked 7700. Go to http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report_sets_nf.htm and download the .pdf file weather encounters. Happens more frequently then I ever expected. Allen |
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"A Lieberman" wrote in message .. . You are PIC. I would have declared an emergency and squawked 7700. What would the emergency be? |
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"Michelle P" wrote in message nk.net... Mike, A phone call to their QA/QC dept. in order. 540-349-7500 main number 540-349-7548 QC dept. if no answer in a couple of days call the number below. 540-349-7505 for the QC Manager. Have the time, frequency and tail number ready. You will likely need to leave a phone message. Let them know they refused the hand off from Washington. Michelle Michelle, what good would come of such a phone call? QA will give you lip service, but you'd be wasting your time calling about this IMO. Chip, ZTL |
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Well, I can just about understand if Potomac doesn't want to handle routes like that, but they ought to find a way of making sure that clearances don't get issued that contain those routes. I would have liked to have been able to plan my other options on the ground with a PC in front of me, instead of in the air relying on the variable accuracy of 'spherics. |
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Mike Granby wrote:
So, an interesting thing happened today. I am at a fly-in at Hagerstown and about to head back to my home-base at York (THV). I can see from the PC they had there that there is a line of heavy rain and possibly thunderstorms blocking my route back. There is no way around it to the north, but there is a way to the south. So, instead of the usual KHGR-SCAPE-THV to take me north of Camp David, I file a route via HGR-MRB-EMI to so south and get in to York through the back door. When I pick up my clearance, I am given the route via SCAPE, but I "unable" that for weather, and they go away for a few minutes, and then clear me as filed. I take off, and everything is fine, until I'm headed southbound from the HGR VOR, when the Washington Center controller calls me and says "Err, 8096J, Potomac Approach is refusing to handle you, say intentions." So now, here I am, in the air with two small kids on board, and being turned back towards what was, a while back at least, some nasty weather. I ask for a hold at HGR to consider my options, and luckily, by now the StormScope is showing the line has dissipated. Now, I'm not happy, 'cos I know there's been cells appearing along that route all PM, but I have little choice, so I take the SCAPE route. All ends well, and we have an almost smooth ride, but I was amazed that they gave me a clearance for that route, and then wouldn't honor it! Comments??? That's a new one for me. I've not had that happen in 10+ years of flying IFR. Matt |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Mike Granby" wrote in message ups.com... So, an interesting thing happened today. I am at a fly-in at Hagerstown and about to head back to my home-base at York (THV). I can see from the PC they had there that there is a line of heavy rain and possibly thunderstorms blocking my route back. There is no way around it to the north, but there is a way to the south. So, instead of the usual KHGR-SCAPE-THV to take me north of Camp David, I file a route via HGR-MRB-EMI to so south and get in to York through the back door. When I pick up my clearance, I am given the route via SCAPE, but I "unable" that for weather, and they go away for a few minutes, and then clear me as filed. I take off, and everything is fine, until I'm headed southbound from the HGR VOR, when the Washington Center controller calls me and says "Err, 8096J, Potomac Approach is refusing to handle you, say intentions." So now, here I am, in the air with two small kids on board, and being turned back towards what was, a while back at least, some nasty weather. I ask for a hold at HGR to consider my options, and luckily, by now the StormScope is showing the line has dissipated. Now, I'm not happy, 'cos I know there's been cells appearing along that route all PM, but I have little choice, so I take the SCAPE route. All ends well, and we have an almost smooth ride, but I was amazed that they gave me a clearance for that route, and then wouldn't honor it! Comments??? Some TRACONs simply do not handle thruflights, that may be the case here. One way around that is to make a stop at a field within that TRACON's airspace. Then you're not a thruflight, you're an arrival and a departure. Shouldn't that be taken into consideration by ATC prior to issuance of the clearance? Matt |
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